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Post by bAnthony on Jul 21, 2014 12:21:47 GMT -5
Teams have had tape on Sander on the NT for two months. This wasn't a week long tournament. It wasn't as if he surprised people once he got to the Florence. There have been stories about him on international websites since the beginning of June. Heck I read on international forums that fans in Poland and Italy were hoping he'd end up there even before his first match against Bulgaria. I would be incredibly surprised if his stats remain this hot in Poland next month, but it is silly to say Rezende didn't have him thoroughly scouted beforehand.
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Post by rsell01 on Jul 21, 2014 12:37:01 GMT -5
To think other national team coaches didn't know about Taylor is laughable. He's been on the youth national team more than once. Rezende is one of the best coaches in the world(def the craziest on the sidelines) he probably has tape on Taylor's brother for 5 to 6 years from now.
FROM USA Volleyball 2011- Member of the U.S. Men's Junior National Team that will compete in the 2011 FIVB Men's Junior World Championships in Brazil... 2010 - Member of the U.S. Men's Junior National Team that won the NORCECA Men's Junior Continental Championship in Gatineau, Quebec. Sander was the United States' third-leading scorer (tied for 23 overall), finishing with 30 points on 32 kills, three blocks and five aces... His five aces led the team (ninth overall) and he averaged 0.33 aces per set... He was the United States' third-leading hitter and seventh overall with a kill percentage of 0.50 and a hitting percentage of 0.33. 2009 - Member of the Boys' Youth National Team that finished 10th at the FIVB Boys’ Youth World Championship and was named USA Volleyball’s 2009 Indoor Team of the Year.. 2008 – Member of Boys' Youth National Team that won gold at NORCECA Championship
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jul 21, 2014 12:40:18 GMT -5
Yeah, absolutely no hitting range with Priddy.
Damn...
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Post by phildunphy on Jul 21, 2014 12:50:42 GMT -5
Yup...they have Sander "figured out"! While USA did play an "easier" Semi opponent, to say they got lucky is absolutely laughable. What would have happened if we played Russia? We beat them like we did 3 OUT OF 4 TIMES IN POOL ALREADY? Look...there is plenty of room on the bandwagon for those who see nothing but limitless potential between now and Rio. You guys think Sander got lucky...fine...no need for you to jump on board! You think we got LUCKY to kick basically everyone's butt for 2 months...OK, feel free to jump another bandwagon!!! We just solidified ourselves between now and Rio as very much in the Gold Medal contention. Our best player will be 29 in Rio and can play Left or Opp. We have 2 kids straight out of college/in college who just GRADUATED INTERNATIONAL VOLLEYBALL 401!!! I mean...is there anything POSSIBLY better for those kids/our team to believe now..."SEE WHAT YOU CAN DO???" We have a pair of middles who are as good any out there not named Muserskiy! Oh...and we are led by HC John Speraw who is proving himself to be the unquestioned leader to bring it all home. You don't want on the bandwagon...it's all good! Just know there will be a lot less room later!!!
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Jul 21, 2014 13:18:28 GMT -5
I get what you're saying, but Sander is already a better hitter than Priddy ever was, and the statistics bear it out. There's really no question that he's got way more potential as an attacker, since he's already better than Priddy at his best. As far as 'hitting range', well, who knows, I'm not really sure what that means (how tight you can slice it in the angle?), but I imagine Sander probably has more of it than Priddy. Wrong.
Priddy is a 3-time Olympian and a Gold Medalist. Sander, while phenomenally talented, has a lot left to prove. One season of World League against depleted competition and all you yahoos on VT say stupid stuff.
And what exact statistics are you pulling out of your butt? Did you go all the way back to 2001? Didn't think so.
You know, I had a whole post written up comparing Sander's stats this past two months to Priddy's from various major tournaments, but my browser crashed and I lost it, so I'll leave it to you to find a tournament where Priddy had better offensive stats than Sander's had. I'll be waiting. Just to get you started, from what I remember, in the WL Finals 2007 Priddy hit 53% with 4.4 points a set against France, Poland (2), and Russia. Sander in WL 2014 Fianls: 62% with 4.7 points a set against Italy, Australia, Iran, and Brazil.
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Post by iluvball on Jul 21, 2014 13:23:10 GMT -5
We beaten Russia in pool play. Not in final round. And we played Aus and lost a set to them. The Lost o Ita was still questionable whether due to jet-lagged or both jet-lagged and we r the underdog. Iran? Impressive but no experience, smaller in sizes so there's nothing to proud about beating those weakest to get to the final. Brazil was a up and down team this season if not been like this for a couple yrs now.
What do you have to yell someone to leave or join a different forum? This is Internet and I've seen ppl got upset over some small disagreements many times just because they think they are RIGHT & and don't leave room for others opinions... those un-openminded should be quiet because they just embarrass themselves.
Hope you have a good Monday. I'm off today and enjoying a cold beer as of now....
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Post by phildunphy on Jul 21, 2014 13:35:22 GMT -5
We beaten Russia in pool play. Not in final round. And we played Aus and lost a set to them. The Lost o Ita was still questionable whether due to jet-lagged or both jet-lagged and we r the underdog. Iran? Impressive but no experience, smaller in sizes so there's nothing to proud about beating those weakest to get to the final. Brazil was a up and down team this season if not been like this for a couple yrs now. What do you have to yell someone to leave or join a different forum? This is Internet and I've seen ppl got upset over some small disagreements many times just because they think they are RIGHT & and don't leave room for others opinions... those un-openminded should be quiet because they just embarrass themselves. Hope you have a good Monday. I'm off today and enjoying a cold beer as of now.... Reading comprehension...it's a skill! I never said for you to "leave the forum". I said if you think we were "lucky", then don't jump on the USA Gold Bandwagon! There was nothing lucky about our run to the title. I won't YELL at you...but while you can make every excuse you want for other teams, facts are...we beat every team in pool 3 out of 4...we won 3 of the 4 matches we played in the finals and are wearing the GOLD today!
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Post by lionsarm on Jul 21, 2014 13:40:56 GMT -5
Congrats the usa! it was a great battle against a brasil team that was playing better and better from their initial struggles (that's putting it lightly) from earlier in the tournament. we must find more depth. the way our team is currently constructed, it is not built to beat various types of teams. I'm still looking at Russia as our biggest hurdle.
right now, the only way for us to win is if both anderson and sander are siding out well with steady passing and that our middles are contributing. its a scary proposition when we have rooney/lotman/muagututia as second receivers. i think its safe to say that these guys are not excellent receivers, esp b/c they need to cover a lot for sander in reception.
to a point made earlier about murilo taking a lot of balls, it's obvious why b/c during float serves, brasil goes two man and hides lucarelli. we do not have this luxury. we did with priddy, but since his injury, we have not gone two man. the serve reception during floats have been three with sander taking pretty much the balls that go straight to him.
usa's other offensive scheme is clark/anderson/2nd Receiver. this option sucks compared to anderson/sander/second receiver. In terms of passing between these two options, i don't think there is that much of a difference, if at all. but the side out, bad ball options available are huge. anderson's ability to pass and hit as an opposite makes everything go for our team. he has received and attacked as an opposite in every serve reception position except position 3 and 6. this is absolutely critical for us because it makes sander's introduction to the international game that much easier.
speraw has been brilliant in using anderson at the opposite position in order to relieve a lot of pressure off both sander (as an extra receiver) and christenson (as a world class opposite outlet). Sander's development will be something we keep at eye on. but as far as his offensive capabilities go, he's already world class. passing...not so much. in this regard, he is probably receiving as many balls as anderson does.
my worry is that we continue to rely too much on anderson. whereas other teams rested their players after a long club season, we pushed anderson right into the opposite position as the do everything 'mvp'. he has of course more than delivered, but how long can this go on for? no one is indestructible, and if he ever comes down with any type of injury, big or small, we are absolutely doomed.
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Post by iluvball on Jul 21, 2014 13:44:05 GMT -5
I guess ppl said is right: "just some typical cocky American" always whine about their best.... In the end we r still number 4 in the world with single digits medals. While others top 3 have double digits medals. Another example of why ppl said about the cocky type is created a sport that only popular in domestic and called themselves "world champions" while not even make to the semifinals in the "real worldwide" popular sports. Just smh & laugh hard....
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Post by iluvball on Jul 21, 2014 13:50:10 GMT -5
I guess ppl said is right: "just some typical cocky American" always brag about their best.... In the end we r still number 4 in the world with single digits medals. While others top 3 have double digits medals. Another example of why ppl said about the cocky type is created a sport that only popular in domestic and called themselves "world champions" while not even make to the semifinals in the "real worldwide" popular sports. Just smh & laugh hard....
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Post by lionsarm on Jul 21, 2014 13:51:49 GMT -5
also, comparing sander to priddy's hitting stats is not accurate in terms of ability as an OH. they play different roles. priddy is a primary receiver, whereas sander is not. priddy had stanley as an opposite, sander has anderson. the teams are constructed differently. if you want a straight up statistical comparison, then sanders numbers are pretty much higher than every outside hitter in the word.
yesterday on several occasions, in position 1, anderson received, took a two step, and hit a D ball to side out. when have we ever seen clay stanley do this? these teams are constructed differently with different systems, comparing hitting numbers does little in terms of revealing each players importance to their respective teams.
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Post by kokyu on Jul 21, 2014 14:00:05 GMT -5
Christenson's a better setter than Ball ever was, Sander's a better hitter than Priddy ever was, Holt will be better than Millar ever was.. and all three are better servers with exception of Priddy perhaps. I think this team has better chances of winning Rio than the women's team.
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Post by kokyu on Jul 21, 2014 14:02:14 GMT -5
also, comparing sander to priddy's hitting stats is not accurate in terms of ability as an OH. they play different roles. priddy is a primary receiver, whereas sander is not. priddy had stanley as an opposite, sander has anderson. the teams are constructed differently. if you want a straight up statistical comparison, then sanders numbers are pretty much higher than every outside hitter in the word. yesterday on several occasions, in position 1, anderson received, took a two step, and hit a D ball to side out. when have we ever seen clay stanley do this? these teams are constructed differently with different systems, comparing hitting numbers does little in terms of revealing each players importance to their respective teams. Whattaya talking about? Gorf's comparing Priddy's stats when he was OH1.
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Post by lionsarm on Jul 21, 2014 14:17:11 GMT -5
also, comparing sander to priddy's hitting stats is not accurate in terms of ability as an OH. they play different roles. priddy is a primary receiver, whereas sander is not. priddy had stanley as an opposite, sander has anderson. the teams are constructed differently. if you want a straight up statistical comparison, then sanders numbers are pretty much higher than every outside hitter in the word. yesterday on several occasions, in position 1, anderson received, took a two step, and hit a D ball to side out. when have we ever seen clay stanley do this? these teams are constructed differently with different systems, comparing hitting numbers does little in terms of revealing each players importance to their respective teams. Whattaya talking about? Gorf's comparing Priddy's stats when he was OH1. just because they line up at OH1 does not mean they have the same responsibility as a receiver. I don't ever remember salmon or stanley having to cover for priddy in serve reception. whereas anderson and the OH2 (whoever it is) has had to cover to sander consistently during this world league. this does not mean that sander will not develop into an elite level receiver, but time will tell with this part of his development. for instance, lets say anderson is for some reason not able to play, and we have clark in as an opposite. sander's role on the team will change as he will not have anderson covering for him in serve reception anymore. his statistics and the amount of high balls he gets will change. this is just a reality depending on your personnel. my comment tried to point this out.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 14:18:19 GMT -5
Christenson's a better setter than Ball ever was, Sander's a better hitter than Priddy ever was, Holt will be better than Millar ever was.. and all three are better servers with exception of Priddy perhaps. I think this team has better chances of winning Rio than the women's team. Don't agree that Christenson is better than Ball, not by a long shot. Sander may become a better hitter than Priddy ever was, and I think Holt is very likely to be better than Millar ever was. As for serving, well, until Max is able to consistently serve the ball in the court, (which he seems to be getting better at doing) I will not consider him a better server than Priddy.
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