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Post by kokyu on Jul 21, 2014 14:34:33 GMT -5
Whattaya talking about? Gorf's comparing Priddy's stats when he was OH1. just because they line up at OH1 does not mean they have the same responsibility as a receiver. I don't ever remember salmon or stanley having to cover for priddy in serve reception. whereas anderson and the OH2 (whoever it is) has had to cover to sander consistently during this world league. this does not mean that sander will not develop into an elite level receiver, but time will tell with this part of his development. for instance, lets say anderson is for some reason not able to play, and we have clark in as an opposite. sander's role on the team will change as he will not have anderson covering for him in serve reception anymore. his statistics and the amount of high balls he gets will change. this is just a reality depending on your personnel. my comment tried to point this out. Gorf and I argued with guru on Sander's hitting vs Priddy's hitting so your inclusion of reception is non-sequitor and irrelevant. Outsides love to pass the ball before hitting so really that should favor Priddy anyways. Sander probably enjoys hitting over a 3 man block on a high ball set from 15 feet off the net off a pass he shanked.
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Post by kokyu on Jul 21, 2014 14:35:48 GMT -5
Ironically Sander's poor passing is then really a bigger argument for his hitting excelling beyond Priddy in his prime.
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Post by kokyu on Jul 21, 2014 14:38:16 GMT -5
Don't agree that Christenson is better than Ball, not by a long shot.
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Post by phildunphy on Jul 21, 2014 14:42:48 GMT -5
I guess ppl said is right: "just some typical cocky American" always whine about their best.... In the end we r still number 4 in the world with single digits medals. While others top 3 have double digits medals. Another example of why ppl said about the cocky type is created a sport that only popular in domestic and called themselves "world champions" while not even make to the semifinals in the "real worldwide" popular sports. Just smh & laugh hard.... Because I won't call the USA's win "lucky" I'm a typical cocky american?" Talk about smh! Also...what on earth does double digit medal drivel have anything to do with winning this edition of WL? Last...u know this is basically a USA based volleyball message board? We welcome all here...but forgive our awful American manners when someone calls our win "lucky". But since I am a "Typical Cocky American".....
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Post by lionsarm on Jul 21, 2014 15:15:52 GMT -5
just because they line up at OH1 does not mean they have the same responsibility as a receiver. I don't ever remember salmon or stanley having to cover for priddy in serve reception. whereas anderson and the OH2 (whoever it is) has had to cover to sander consistently during this world league. this does not mean that sander will not develop into an elite level receiver, but time will tell with this part of his development. for instance, lets say anderson is for some reason not able to play, and we have clark in as an opposite. sander's role on the team will change as he will not have anderson covering for him in serve reception anymore. his statistics and the amount of high balls he gets will change. this is just a reality depending on your personnel. my comment tried to point this out. Gorf and I argued with guru on Sander's hitting vs Priddy's hitting so your inclusion of reception is non-sequitor and irrelevant. Outsides love to pass the ball before hitting so really that should favor Priddy anyways. Sander probably enjoys hitting over a 3 man block on a high ball set from 15 feet off the net off a pass he shanked. when priddy was playing this season, he would two-man pass with shoji both front row and back row while facing float serves, thus allowing sander a free run to attack on the pipe/outside/rightside. don't you think this contributes positively to his hitting percentage? following your line of argument, if sander has the same passing responsibilities as priddy in two man receive, you believe that it is a "non-sequitur and irrelevant" and therefore his high hitting stats for this world league would be the same. if you're hell bent on proving that sander has better hitting stats than priddy from priddy's previous years, wait for sander to play as a primary receiver for a tournament/season, and take those hitting stats for comparison. heck, take his stats from byu while he played as primary passer!
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Post by kokyu on Jul 21, 2014 15:28:53 GMT -5
FFS, did you even watch all of USA's WL matches?
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Post by lionsarm on Jul 21, 2014 15:34:14 GMT -5
Yes, and when priddy was not playing. Rooney, lotman, muagututia were primary passers.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 15:35:01 GMT -5
They surprised me. I thought they had a chance but wasn't sure what to think after the Italy match. I hoped it was just first game jitters and/or travel fatigue and the break from playing matches. They fought through it and gradually played better with each match. Everyone made some great plays at key moments. It was so nice to see everyone make those plays, from David & Max's one-arm blocks, to Micah's great sets and tough serves, to Matt and Taylor's smart swings, to Garrett's diving dig and steady serving, to Eric's excellent passing and digging. It was nice to see Sean have a great semifinal match, even though he wasn't able to keep it up in the final. They relied on each other and didn't get down when they made mistakes. I'd be shocked if they did this well at the world championships, but as long as they continue to progress, even if that means some tough losses, then they are well on their way to having a legitimate chance in Rio.
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Post by kokyu on Jul 21, 2014 15:44:07 GMT -5
LOL @ "primary" passers spending most of their time on the bench or not even on the roster.
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Post by 30killspergame on Jul 21, 2014 18:06:48 GMT -5
Christenson's a better setter than Ball ever was, Sander's a better hitter than Priddy ever was, Holt will be better than Millar ever was.. and all three are better servers with exception of Priddy perhaps. I think this team has better chances of winning Rio than the women's team. He might become better than Ball not there now.. I agree on Holt over Miller but sander not over Priddy yet.. turn on the 2008 Olympics and see priddy against Brazil,Russia and so on..
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Post by iluvball on Jul 21, 2014 18:31:02 GMT -5
They surprised me. I thought they had a chance but wasn't sure what to think after the Italy match. I hoped it was just first game jitters and/or travel fatigue and the break from playing matches. They fought through it and gradually played better with each match. Everyone made some great plays at key moments. It was so nice to see everyone make those plays, from David & Max's one-arm blocks, to Micah's great sets and tough serves, to Matt and Taylor's smart swings, to Garrett's diving dig and steady serving, to Eric's excellent passing and digging. It was nice to see Sean have a great semifinal match, even though he wasn't able to keep it up in the final. They relied on each other and didn't get down when they made mistakes. I'd be shocked if they did this well at the world championships, but as long as they continue to progress, even if that means some tough losses, then they are well on their way to having a legitimate chance in Rio. I have similar view as u man. I was in doubt when we lost to Ita 3-0 but we came together and play as a team... The biggest concern with me is Russia in full strength. Not in pool play in WL..
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Post by lionsarm on Jul 21, 2014 18:57:55 GMT -5
They surprised me. I thought they had a chance but wasn't sure what to think after the Italy match. I hoped it was just first game jitters and/or travel fatigue and the break from playing matches. They fought through it and gradually played better with each match. Everyone made some great plays at key moments. It was so nice to see everyone make those plays, from David & Max's one-arm blocks, to Micah's great sets and tough serves, to Matt and Taylor's smart swings, to Garrett's diving dig and steady serving, to Eric's excellent passing and digging. It was nice to see Sean have a great semifinal match, even though he wasn't able to keep it up in the final. They relied on each other and didn't get down when they made mistakes. I'd be shocked if they did this well at the world championships, but as long as they continue to progress, even if that means some tough losses, then they are well on their way to having a legitimate chance in Rio. I have similar view as u man. I was in doubt when we lost to Ita 3-0 but we came together and play as a team... The biggest concern with me is Russia in full strength. Not in pool play in WL.. as we have not seen the best of our potential. we have not seen the best of the other teams too. poland: under antiga as the new coach, he is trying out a lot of new players and bringing back some older ones too. i don't think kurek played much this past world league, and definitely kubiak did not feature at all. wlazly was brought back as an opposite, but in general they are all just beginning to settle into what antiga wants. italy: of the top teams, the italians are likely as close as you will get to being a finished product right now. libero, setter, rightside (mr. zaytsev), and middles are all settled. parodi/lanza/kovar are the only pieces yet to be settled. but even so, this team will be as it is from now until rio. russia: this team is scary with its depth and talent. mikhaylov did not feature at all, most likely to rest his still recovering shoulder. verbov at libero did not either. their outsides this world league were a trial run from the c - squad all the way to the crazy/insane/annoying but talented spiridonov. so yes, i'm totally in agreement that once russia gets healthy and refines its lineup, they will be a top team with such a young core of world class players. brasil: this team is also nearly complete as the italians, but the big question mark is murilo. sunderland commented that in talking to their training staff, they said murilo's shoulder was at 80%. obviously its gonna get healthier and stronger as he continues to train. we already know he is one of the best passers at the OH position. having him available more as the deadly offensive threat that he once was before injury will dramatically change brasil attacking potency. iran: this team impresses me tremendously. they do not have the size, power, and athleticism as the big teams, but have established a system and belief that allows them to compete and beat some of the top teams. i think they only get tougher and tougher as they play more big time matches. their setter is obviously elite as the best setter award recognized this. also, its too bad that mohammed mousavi (seyed) was injured against the usa. he is extremely impressive!
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Post by itsallrelative on Jul 21, 2014 19:07:07 GMT -5
are we entering a period of relative parity in the men's game?
brasil and russia look vulnerable, Italy, US looks better, new comers like Iran showing up....
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Post by ballervolley on Jul 21, 2014 19:40:50 GMT -5
Christenson's a better setter than Ball ever was, Sander's a better hitter than Priddy ever was, Holt will be better than Millar ever was.. and all three are better servers with exception of Priddy perhaps. I think this team has better chances of winning Rio than the women's team. i'd take ball over christenson any day in fact he was probably THE MAJOR factor we won that 08 gold and lost in 012. holt has yet to be an offensive factor, his serve is great though. and sander -not yet. it's a great time for usa volleyball though that game we lost to italy i felt if we won that 3rd we would have won the match. italy was playing out of their minds and when they came back down to earth we showed that we could rock and roll with them, just a mental breakdown in the end. then taking down brazil for the championship was just awesome. we are good now but i feel speraw is going to have us peaking just in time for the olympics. i just hope we can remain healthy that is going to be the key.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2014 20:08:34 GMT -5
It's fun to watch Taylor Sander's first home match at BYU four years ago and then watch the final vs Brazil from yesterday. Here's his first home match at BYU in 2011. It's also fun to see Carson Clark paying for UCI in this match. www.byutvsports.com/filmroom/watch/?id=87f73f44-2266-4232-bd6c-82b2177a9d30Steve Vail and Jarom Jordan are so high on Sander that they look pretty stupid when they credit him with an ace serve when he wasn't even serving. And apparently his vertical was 48" according to Steve. I guess he's only lost about 4" since then. And Jarom says he's a great passer too, so it must true.
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