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Post by darian on Jul 21, 2014 23:50:12 GMT -5
Sander was a decent passer in college, but they the level of the play was definitely different. A Quiroga serve vs a Zaytsev serve.
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Post by ncaavballguru on Jul 22, 2014 6:37:57 GMT -5
Wrong.
Priddy is a 3-time Olympian and a Gold Medalist. Sander, while phenomenally talented, has a lot left to prove. One season of World League against depleted competition and all you yahoos on VT say stupid stuff.
And what exact statistics are you pulling out of your butt? Did you go all the way back to 2001? Didn't think so.
You know, I had a whole post written up comparing Sander's stats this past two months to Priddy's from various major tournaments, but my browser crashed and I lost it, so I'll leave it to you to find a tournament where Priddy had better offensive stats than Sander's had. I'll be waiting. Just to get you started, from what I remember, in the WL Finals 2007 Priddy hit 53% with 4.4 points a set against France, Poland (2), and Russia. Sander in WL 2014 Fianls: 62% with 4.7 points a set against Italy, Australia, Iran, and Brazil. Yup, and your dog ate your homework too, right?
I don't need to go look up any Priddy stats, been watching him for 17 years. I'm not on the Sander bandwagon like you and a couple other VT groupies trying to sniff his post-World League Championship match jockstrap.
Sander is a terrific player who will have a great international and pro career. I will enjoy watching it unfold over the next decade or so. But unlike the rest of you weeners on this board, I'm not going to make ridiculously overstated predictions or over-the-top hyperbole while making comparisons to Priddy's 14-year career. That is disrespectful to both parties.
You are the same individuals that are the first in line like a pack of wolves to criticize and poke holes at players the moment they start playing bad.
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Post by ncaavballguru on Jul 22, 2014 6:42:36 GMT -5
Christenson's a better setter than Ball ever was, Sander's a better hitter than Priddy ever was, Holt will be better than Millar ever was.. and all three are better servers with exception of Priddy perhaps. I think this team has better chances of winning Rio than the women's team. Don't agree that Christenson is better than Ball, not by a long shot. Sander may become a better hitter than Priddy ever was, and I think Holt is very likely to be better than Millar ever was. As for serving, well, until Max is able to consistently serve the ball in the court, (which he seems to be getting better at doing) I will not consider him a better server than Priddy. Ball was mediocre for the first 2/3rds of his career. It took him a long time to figure it out. He played his best volleyball in probably the last 4-5 years of his career.
I'm not sold on Christenson yet. I think he has "golden child" status for some reason with Speraw and the USA braintrust.
Holt is taller and longer than Millar, but he will never be as quick as Millar nor will he be able to hit the kinds of angles that Millar did out of the middle.
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Post by dusty64 on Jul 22, 2014 7:07:52 GMT -5
You know, I had a whole post written up comparing Sander's stats this past two months to Priddy's from various major tournaments, but my browser crashed and I lost it, so I'll leave it to you to find a tournament where Priddy had better offensive stats than Sander's had. I'll be waiting. Just to get you started, from what I remember, in the WL Finals 2007 Priddy hit 53% with 4.4 points a set against France, Poland (2), and Russia. Sander in WL 2014 Fianls: 62% with 4.7 points a set against Italy, Australia, Iran, and Brazil. Yup, and your dog ate your homework too, right?
I don't need to go look up any Priddy stats, been watching him for 17 years. I'm not on the Sander bandwagon like you and a couple other VT groupies trying to sniff his post-World League Championship match jockstrap.
Sander is a terrific player who will have a great international and pro career. I will enjoy watching it unfold over the next decade or so. But unlike the rest of you weeners on this board, I'm not going to make ridiculously overstated predictions or over-the-top hyperbole while making comparisons to Priddy's 14-year career. That is disrespectful to both parties.
You are the same individuals that are the first in line like a pack of wolves to criticize and poke holes at players the moment they start playing bad.
Priddy has an excellent serve-receive, digging and jump serve, but offensively, no offense to him and his guru :-), i saw him more often "blocked " than " spiky". But i agree, i prefer to have him as he was pre-injury, rather than Rooney let alone Lotman. Curious, these guys from 2008 only won in this very year, before and after...nothing, although i have to say what they did in 2008 was really amazing.
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Post by akbar on Jul 22, 2014 9:29:33 GMT -5
I find it hilarious that everyone refers to him as "Garrett" but everyone else on the USA Men is referred to by last name - "Christenson", "Shoji", "Anderson", "Rooney", "Lee", "Holt". His last name is Muagututia. Geez louise, put some effort in and learn how to spell it, you buncha lazy hacks. Because Garrett "mostlikelypositiontobereplacedsoonerthanlater" is easier to say.
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Post by VolleyTX on Jul 22, 2014 10:17:29 GMT -5
I've been on vacation. Wow..... a solid win against Brazil in the final!
Considering how well Sanders performed in his rookie season, I am so hopeful for the National team in the next 8-10 years. If I take into consideration what I saw in the NCAA final match this year, we have a number of players that are going to fit very well into the USA system. Players like Caldwell, Jaeschke and Brian Cook should really solidify the outside hitting position for team USA for years to come.
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Post by darian on Jul 22, 2014 11:21:32 GMT -5
I've been on vacation. Wow..... a solid win against Brazil in the final! Considering how well Sanders performed in his rookie season, I am so hopeful for the National team in the next 8-10 years. If I take into consideration what I saw in the NCAA final match this year, we have a number of players that are going to fit very well into the USA system. Players like Caldwell, Jaeschke and Brian Cook should really solidify the outside hitting position for team USA for years to come. Has Cook been in the gym? We also have younger players that have to prove themselves, but they definitely have potential: Yoder, Arnitz, Lil' Sander, DeFalco (who I think is going to stick with beach after LBSU)
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Jul 22, 2014 12:11:54 GMT -5
You know, I had a whole post written up comparing Sander's stats this past two months to Priddy's from various major tournaments, but my browser crashed and I lost it, so I'll leave it to you to find a tournament where Priddy had better offensive stats than Sander's had. I'll be waiting. Just to get you started, from what I remember, in the WL Finals 2007 Priddy hit 53% with 4.4 points a set against France, Poland (2), and Russia. Sander in WL 2014 Fianls: 62% with 4.7 points a set against Italy, Australia, Iran, and Brazil. Yup, and your dog ate your homework too, right?
I don't need to go look up any Priddy stats, been watching him for 17 years. I'm not on the Sander bandwagon like you and a couple other VT groupies trying to sniff his post-World League Championship match jockstrap.
Sander is a terrific player who will have a great international and pro career. I will enjoy watching it unfold over the next decade or so. But unlike the rest of you weeners on this board, I'm not going to make ridiculously overstated predictions or over-the-top hyperbole while making comparisons to Priddy's 14-year career. That is disrespectful to both parties.
You are the same individuals that are the first in line like a pack of wolves to criticize and poke holes at players the moment they start playing bad.
Sniffing his jockstrap? You've got issues, man. Take a breather.
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Post by ncaavballguru on Jul 22, 2014 16:21:11 GMT -5
Yup, and your dog ate your homework too, right?
I don't need to go look up any Priddy stats, been watching him for 17 years. I'm not on the Sander bandwagon like you and a couple other VT groupies trying to sniff his post-World League Championship match jockstrap.
Sander is a terrific player who will have a great international and pro career. I will enjoy watching it unfold over the next decade or so. But unlike the rest of you weeners on this board, I'm not going to make ridiculously overstated predictions or over-the-top hyperbole while making comparisons to Priddy's 14-year career. That is disrespectful to both parties.
You are the same individuals that are the first in line like a pack of wolves to criticize and poke holes at players the moment they start playing bad.
Sniffing his jockstrap? You've got issues, man. Take a breather. What's wrong, buddy? UMadBro? Find those stats yet?
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Jul 22, 2014 16:47:09 GMT -5
Sniffing his jockstrap? You've got issues, man. Take a breather. What's wrong, buddy? UMadBro? Find those stats yet? Can't prove a negative (i.e., Reid Priddy has never hit 62% or higher, with a comparable number of attempts, over the course of a major international competition). The burden of proof is on you. I was going to do you a favor and look up all Priddy's stats, but, like I said, things didn't work out. Here's what a second search came up with. Priddy's first available WL stats come from 2007, which I already provided. 2008 he hit 49%, with 3.94 points a set. 2009 he wasn't on the leaderboard for scoring, and 2010 the USA didn't make the finals. 2006 WCHs he hit 41.3% and finished 21st in scoring for the tournament, with 123 points. 2010 WCHs he hit 44%, with 100 points, which again was good for 21st in the tournament. World Cup 2007 he finished 9th in the tournament, scoring 139 points, and hit 48.7%. WGCC 2005 he scored 27 points and wasn't eligible for the attacking leaderboard. Those are all the tournaments from pre-2011 I could easily find stats for. Let me know if you do any better, and in the meantime try not being such a jerk.
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Post by lionsarm on Jul 22, 2014 17:15:00 GMT -5
What's wrong, buddy? UMadBro? Find those stats yet? Can't prove a negative (i.e., Reid Priddy has never hit 62% or higher, with a comparable number of attempts, over the course of a major international competition). The burden of proof is on you. I was going to do you a favor and look up all Priddy's stats, but, like I said, things didn't work out. Here's what a second search came up with. Priddy's first available WL stats come from 2007, which I already provided. 2008 he hit 49%, with 3.94 points a set. 2009 he wasn't on the leaderboard for scoring, and 2010 the USA didn't make the finals. 2006 WCHs he hit 41.3% and finished 21st in scoring for the tournament, with 123 points. 2010 WCHs he hit 44%, with 100 points, which again was good for 21st in the tournament. World Cup 2007 he finished 9th in the tournament, scoring 139 points, and hit 48.7%. WGCC 2005 he scored 27 points and wasn't eligible for the attacking leaderboard. Those are all the tournaments from pre-2011 I could easily find stats for. Let me know if you do any better, and in the meantime try not being such a jerk. seems like both arguments are diverging in different paths, regardless of the sarcasm and verbal attacks. one focus on sander from purely an attacker perspective, as his hitting stats limit one's understanding to just that. effectiveness as an attacker during world league 2014. the other is on reid priddy as an overall player, which surely cannot only be defined by hitting percentage, let alone from on singular international competition. so if the argument is that priddy has never attacked at a higher percentage than sander has during this past world league, then i'm sure no one can argue with that, as the stats simply show. but if this is the only argument, why stop at priddy. i'm fairly confident that murilo, giba, juantorena, kazisky, anderson, leon, heck, even karch...has never sniffed these numbers in their heyday! but if the argument falls more toward whether one player is better?...i'm not even gonna go there.
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Post by ncaavballguru on Jul 22, 2014 17:30:26 GMT -5
What's wrong, buddy? UMadBro? Find those stats yet? Can't prove a negative (i.e., Reid Priddy has never hit 62% or higher, with a comparable number of attempts, over the course of a major international competition). The burden of proof is on you. I was going to do you a favor and look up all Priddy's stats, but, like I said, things didn't work out. Here's what a second search came up with. Priddy's first available WL stats come from 2007, which I already provided. 2008 he hit 49%, with 3.94 points a set. 2009 he wasn't on the leaderboard for scoring, and 2010 the USA didn't make the finals. 2006 WCHs he hit 41.3% and finished 21st in scoring for the tournament, with 123 points. 2010 WCHs he hit 44%, with 100 points, which again was good for 21st in the tournament. World Cup 2007 he finished 9th in the tournament, scoring 139 points, and hit 48.7%. WGCC 2005 he scored 27 points and wasn't eligible for the attacking leaderboard. Those are all the tournaments from pre-2011 I could easily find stats for. Let me know if you do any better, and in the meantime try not being such a jerk. So are you going to be as supportive of Sander when he hits 32% and the USA finishes in the middle of the pack in a major international tournament in the next couple years? Or will Sander become the scapegoat for everything wrong with Team USA when they finish 5th or 7th and don't live up to the standards of the VT community?
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Jul 22, 2014 17:39:56 GMT -5
Can't prove a negative (i.e., Reid Priddy has never hit 62% or higher, with a comparable number of attempts, over the course of a major international competition). The burden of proof is on you. I was going to do you a favor and look up all Priddy's stats, but, like I said, things didn't work out. Here's what a second search came up with. Priddy's first available WL stats come from 2007, which I already provided. 2008 he hit 49%, with 3.94 points a set. 2009 he wasn't on the leaderboard for scoring, and 2010 the USA didn't make the finals. 2006 WCHs he hit 41.3% and finished 21st in scoring for the tournament, with 123 points. 2010 WCHs he hit 44%, with 100 points, which again was good for 21st in the tournament. World Cup 2007 he finished 9th in the tournament, scoring 139 points, and hit 48.7%. WGCC 2005 he scored 27 points and wasn't eligible for the attacking leaderboard. Those are all the tournaments from pre-2011 I could easily find stats for. Let me know if you do any better, and in the meantime try not being such a jerk. So are you going to be as supportive of Sander when he hits 32% and the USA finishes in the middle of the pack in a major international tournament in the next couple years? Or will Sander become the scapegoat for everything wrong with Team USA when they finish 5th or 7th and don't live up to the standards of the VT community?
You seem to be confusing me with someone else.
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Jul 22, 2014 17:40:57 GMT -5
Can't prove a negative (i.e., Reid Priddy has never hit 62% or higher, with a comparable number of attempts, over the course of a major international competition). The burden of proof is on you. I was going to do you a favor and look up all Priddy's stats, but, like I said, things didn't work out. Here's what a second search came up with. Priddy's first available WL stats come from 2007, which I already provided. 2008 he hit 49%, with 3.94 points a set. 2009 he wasn't on the leaderboard for scoring, and 2010 the USA didn't make the finals. 2006 WCHs he hit 41.3% and finished 21st in scoring for the tournament, with 123 points. 2010 WCHs he hit 44%, with 100 points, which again was good for 21st in the tournament. World Cup 2007 he finished 9th in the tournament, scoring 139 points, and hit 48.7%. WGCC 2005 he scored 27 points and wasn't eligible for the attacking leaderboard. Those are all the tournaments from pre-2011 I could easily find stats for. Let me know if you do any better, and in the meantime try not being such a jerk. seems like both arguments are diverging in different paths, regardless of the sarcasm and verbal attacks. one focus on sander from purely an attacker perspective, as his hitting stats limit one's understanding to just that. effectiveness as an attacker during world league 2014. the other is on reid priddy as an overall player, which surely cannot only be defined by hitting percentage, let alone from on singular international competition. so if the argument is that priddy has never attacked at a higher percentage than sander has during this past world league, then i'm sure no one can argue with that, as the stats simply show. but if this is the only argument, why stop at priddy. i'm fairly confident that murilo, giba, juantorena, kazisky, anderson, leon, heck, even karch...has never sniffed these numbers in their heyday! but if the argument falls more toward whether one player is better?...i'm not even gonna go there. I'm certainly not arguing that Sander us better than Priddy, only that he's a better hitter than Priddy was at his best, which I think is hard to argue with. The angle on his hitting percentage being higher because he's freed from being a primary passer in half the rotations is interesting, but I'm not sure if it's true. How much would his numbers drop if he was passing in three more rotations, independent of possibly lower quality reception? Hard to say, but my guess would be not all that much. It's true that Sander probably isn't already a better hitter than all those other guys, but the game is very different now than it was even a six or seven years ago, and we're talking about guys who have produced on much bigger stages than World League. I don't know what kill percentages averaged in the 80s, so I'll leave Karch out of this, but the question of explaining Sander's high percentage is certainly interesting when comparing him to more recent stars. How good is Sander? Giba hit less than 42% in Athens, and Dante led the tournament at just over 44%. Different time, different level. It's difficult, if not impossible, to make comparisons across the years like that. I'm sure that it would be possible to create a formula to convert hitting percentages from 2004 to 2014, but I'm not a mathematician. There are obviously a lot of wrinkles to the conversation, and thinking about it more the answer seems less obvious. I think to really answer the question you'd need to do as I said, and find a way to convert attacking numbers from different years, but even then it would be far from 100% accurate. I'm sure the FIVB could do it pretty easily, I don't think it would be too complicated, just somewhat labor intensive.
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Post by ncaavballguru on Jul 22, 2014 18:06:00 GMT -5
So are you going to be as supportive of Sander when he hits 32% and the USA finishes in the middle of the pack in a major international tournament in the next couple years? Or will Sander become the scapegoat for everything wrong with Team USA when they finish 5th or 7th and don't live up to the standards of the VT community?
You seem to be confusing me with someone else. I am, my bad. I'm sorry. Had you confused with that kokyu person, who is highly annoying. I don't believe that poster is real, anyway. I mean, yeah it's a real person but making dumb posts just to make other people post in return to disprove or argue against the stupidity of the original post.
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