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Post by chancelucky on Nov 25, 2014 12:37:27 GMT -5
Might be a really interesting question. Who is the best non-libero defensive player in the conference?
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 25, 2014 17:03:09 GMT -5
Might be a really interesting question. Who is the best non-libero defensive player in the conference? Victoria McPherson leads the conference in blocks
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Post by 2playsref on Nov 25, 2014 19:34:03 GMT -5
POY - Savannah Leaf FOY - Haley Templeton DPOY - Katie Mosher
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Post by chancelucky on Nov 27, 2014 11:21:00 GMT -5
Attended the UNC-Duke match last night. There were about 6,000 people there for a match that didn't involve a basketball game. The earlier match this year was much closer than the set score, it was just that UNC won all the critical points. In this match, the opposite happened. UNC won 2 sets 25-19, but Duke did very well when the game was tight. The match may have turned on a touch call in the 5th. UNC had gone up 9-5, but Duke caught them at 10-10. Andrew hit a ball that landed about 8 feet out. The down ref called a touch (was very very hard to tell from the stands) and that kept the momentum from shifting completely. Nelson then scored 3 of the last 4 points of the match, something she's been pretty good at.
Interestingly, UNC served Karelov a lot. She didn't get aced and she also got some very very tough serves into play, both much to her credit. At the same time, the strategy arguably worked, because Duke was forced into a number of free balls off shanked passes. I was really surprised to see that Sklar had 22 digs in the match btw. Karelov had 18. Taner had 30 for UNC, most off of very hard swings from Obeime and Karelov. Taner made a very good case for being first team All ACC libero and even defensive player of the year. She shows up well stat wise, but also plays for the likely conference champion with the #1 defense in the conference. Karelov's numbers are better, but in the two head to head meetings Taner had much more impact on the match. Head to head with Mosher, Mosher clearly outplayed Taner the first time, but the reverse was true the second time. Taner's numbers are better than Mosher's and her team happens to be in first. I did look at the claim that Mosher may have fewer aces, but tends to send her team on long service runs, but FSU doesn't track the total number of serves/set for individual players on their site, so I couldn't find a statistical basis for it.
I think one of the more fascinating statistical aspects of the match was that Sklar and Obeime had 50 kills together, but that was with 22 errors, and a .208 pct. for 134 swings. It's very similar to scoring 30 points in a basketball game on 40 shots from the field or a quarterback throwing for 400 yards on 50 passing attempts. It usually means the team lost.
Andrew and Mcadoo had 32 kills on 85 swings with 7 errors and hit .290 for the match. I'd argue that despite the 50 kills from the Duke lefts, Carolina won the matchup between the lefts.
It was as entertaining a match as I've seen in the ACC.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 27, 2014 11:54:40 GMT -5
Attended the UNC-Duke match last night. There were about 6,000 people there for a match that didn't involve a basketball game. The earlier match this year was much closer than the set score, it was just that UNC won all the critical points. In this match, the opposite happened. UNC won 2 sets 25-19, but Duke did very well when the game was tight. The match may have turned on a touch call in the 5th. UNC had gone up 9-5, but Duke caught them at 10-10. Andrew hit a ball that landed about 8 feet out. The down ref called a touch (was very very hard to tell from the stands) and that kept the momentum from shifting completely. Nelson then scored 3 of the last 4 points of the match, something she's been pretty good at. Interestingly, UNC served Karelov a lot. She didn't get aced and she also got some very very tough serves into play, both much to her credit. At the same time, the strategy arguably worked, because Duke was forced into a number of free balls off shanked passes. I was really surprised to see that Sklar had 22 digs in the match btw. Karelov had 18. Taner had 30 for UNC, most off of very hard swings from Obeime and Karelov. Taner made a very good case for being first team All ACC libero and even defensive player of the year. She shows up well stat wise, but also plays for the likely conference champion with the #1 defense in the conference. Karelov's numbers are better, but in the two head to head meetings Taner had much more impact on the match. Head to head with Mosher, Mosher clearly outplayed Taner the first time, but the reverse was true the second time. Taner's numbers are better than Mosher's and her team happens to be in first. I did look at the claim that Mosher may have fewer aces, but tends to send her team on long service runs, but FSU doesn't track the total number of serves/set for individual players on their site, so I couldn't find a statistical basis for it. I think one of the more fascinating statistical aspects of the match was that Sklar and Obeime had 50 kills together, but that was with 22 errors, and a .208 pct. for 134 swings. It's very similar to scoring 30 points in a basketball game on 40 shots from the field or a quarterback throwing for 400 yards on 50 passing attempts. It usually means the team lost. Andrew and Mcadoo had 32 kills on 85 swings with 7 errors and hit .290 for the match. I'd argue that despite the 50 kills from the Duke lefts, Carolina won the matchup between the lefts. It was as entertaining a match as I've seen in the ACC. But wouldn't you say that part of te reason carolina "won" te matchup of the lefts is that they were facing a weaker block all night and the setters did a great job of moving the ball around to give the UNC lefts more single blocks. I was at the match too and if I had to pick a player for my team just based on that match it would be Obeime (on second thought probably Taner but for the sake of this argument I'm just referring to hitters). Obeime and Sklar received almost every set and were facing McPherson and Nuenfeldt camping out on the outside for the entire match. Figuring how much the Duke outsides were depended on, and a great defensive day for Sklar, I would still say the outsides for Duke had a better day just with a much weaker supporting cast. I know I'm going to get flack for this, but I would say that Taner's performance yesterday has effectively eliminated Clesen and Mosher from the DPOY race. Taner will have a much better digs per set average (about 0.4) than Mosher and her team is just as good at blocking and could even move ahead of FSU in conference blocks per set. And since the argument that Mosher goes on serving runs is subjective and has no proof, Taner is also statistically the best libero server in the coference. The two are about equal assists wise and UNC will place ahead of FSU in conference, so I don't see any way Mosher could be picked over Taner. The only thing that could prevent Taner from winning is if the coaches look at Karelovs superior digging stats and assisting stats and want to give it to a talented player regardless of where her team places. Just crazy how good these teams have gotten this year, as duke is just as good as they were last year but have fallen two spots in conference. If you look at Sklars stats this year they're much better than they were last year, but she won't even repeat as POY. I could see at least 4 ACC players making all-American teams this year.
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Post by sulo on Nov 27, 2014 13:18:25 GMT -5
As I stated earlier I pick Taner. She's a 4 year veteran who has had a fabulous year for the ACC champion(At least co-champion) And, besides I'm biased.
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Post by chancelucky on Nov 27, 2014 15:02:52 GMT -5
I think Obeime was the most exciting hitter in the match, but it's like comparing a control pitcher throwing to contact to a strikeout pitcher. Mcadoo was very quietly effective with the exception of going long at 20-18 in game 4 and a missed serve late in that set. UNC's block is definitely stronger than Duke's, but Duke had 97 digs which makes hitting .290 still an accomplishment. Just for perspective. Leaf hit .281 against the same Duke block/defense, Horton .200, and Walch .029
If I were drafting, I'd take Obeime over Mcadoo, but last night Mcadoo may have had more of a positive impact overall. Andrew and Mcadoo repeatedly got key kills to end Duke runs, both played very good defense and outpassed Karelov, Andrew was at least as good devensively as Sklar and Mcadoo had 2 aces.
I would agree though that Obeime put on the better show. Against another defense, it could easily have been a 30+ kill performance. Taner simply dug her a bunch of times.
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Post by setterdump on Nov 27, 2014 15:50:58 GMT -5
If you had to pick an All-ACC Starting Lineup for this season, who would you go with?
Mine would be (running a 6-2 offense): OH: Leaf, Sklar MB: Neuenfeldt, Burrington RS: Nelson, Obeime S: K.Williams, Schnabl L: Karelov
Toughest choices were definitely setter (lots of good choices this year, but no real standouts) and libero.
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Post by trianglevolleyball on Nov 27, 2014 16:18:14 GMT -5
If you had to pick an All-ACC Starting Lineup for this season, who would you go with? Mine would be (running a 6-2 offense): OH: Leaf, Sklar MB: Neuenfeldt, Burrington RS: Nelson, Obeime S: K.Williams, Schnabl L: Karelov Toughest choices were definitely setter (lots of good choices this year, but no real standouts) and libero. If I were to choose a 6-2, I'd have the same as yours except with Wickstrom instead of Schnabl setting and probably someone else on the right side because Obeime really loves her cut and doesn't seem as comfortable on the right. Maybe Kathryn Caine or Jasmine Burton from the Virginia schools. I'd also sub out Leaf and Sklar in the back row for Mosher and Taner (I'm not sure if that's allowed but teams probably wouldn't be siding out against this squad too much so they would have enough subs). I think a 5-1 would maybe be better with Williams or Wickstrom (not sure why Poole hasn't let her try to run a 5-1 at any point in her career) but I'm not sure how good Burrington and Nuenfeldt are on the slide, so you might have to sub in Tess Clark too make that wokr better.
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Post by chancelucky on Nov 27, 2014 20:15:35 GMT -5
I'd think about George (Lville at setter) and would have to consider Walch on the left. She had some tough matches recently, but she's still the lead hitter on the #8 team in the country. A lot of Sklar's value is as a very effective backrow hitter and she's definitely decent defensively. I'd play Taner ahead of Karelov due to serving and serve receive. At least a few teams chose to serve Karelov this year. This season, that didn't really happen with Taner.
I'm really biased, but there's an argument that the 3 best rights in the ACC all play for the same school.
I think Poole hasn't gone to a 5-1 for a simple reason. It's not about the setters. It's about the rightsides.
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Post by mavericks on Nov 27, 2014 20:18:42 GMT -5
I'd think about George (Lville at setter) and would have to consider Walch on the left. She had some tough matches recently, but she's still the lead hitter on the #8 team in the country. A lot of Sklar's value is as a very effective backrow hitter and she's definitely decent defensively. I'd play Taner ahead of Karelov due to serving and serve receive. At least a few teams chose to serve Karelov this year. This season, that didn't really happen with Taner. I'm really biased, but there's an argument that the 3 best rights in the ACC all play for the same school. I think Poole hasn't gone to a 5-1 for a simple reason. It's not about the setters. It's about the rightsides. George (Louisville setter) is a way better libero. Her setting is terrible. She needs to be the libero next year as a senior. She doesn't have all the tangibles that good setters must possess.
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Post by chancelucky on Nov 28, 2014 10:12:36 GMT -5
I haven't seen George play that much, but was impressed with her in the matches I did see. Did you mean tangibles or intangibles?
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Post by msgt70a on Nov 28, 2014 10:27:35 GMT -5
Surprised about your negative comment about Katie George. It would be nice if she were a little taller, but I think she connects well with her middles, makes good choices, is quick and plays great defense. I haven't seen her a lot but when I have, she is great.
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Post by volleyvolleyfan on Nov 28, 2014 16:51:24 GMT -5
Congrats to UNC on winning the ACC outright this season. they played tough Wed. Vs. Duke and the match went their way in that 5th set !!
I am hoping all ACC teams that make post season go deep into tourney and represent our conference well !!!
I am still an FSU fan first and foremost and a 28-2 finish to the season is nothing to apologize for !!!
A special nod to the two senior captains, Mosher and Wickstrom- they finish their regular season careers with 2 ACC rings and two runner ups in ACC -- they also enter post season with strong experience as they helped their team to a Final Four in 2011.. Sweet Sixteen in 2013 and entering the 2014 NCAA tournament selection show with #3 RPI ( as of today anyway) ... They also never lost an ACC match at home since they were freshman in 2011..and go out undefeated at home.!
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Post by chancelucky on Nov 28, 2014 20:14:52 GMT -5
I think the top 3 teams in the conference drove each other very hard when they played this year. It should definitely help in the tournament. Best of luck to all the ACC teams who make this year's tournament.
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