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Post by wang pu on Jul 29, 2014 14:11:34 GMT -5
Pavan/Bansley through to the Main. I'm confused as to why they were in the Qualies. They've had a rough couple weeks, and the timing was such that it ended up dropping some good finishes from last year from their entry points. Thanks. I did see that they had a couple 25ths and 17ths. I didn't factor in the dropped points from last year.
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Post by klazk on Jul 29, 2014 14:16:50 GMT -5
I don't understand who gets put into the qualifiers or how they decide that, but why is Doherty/Lucena in the qualifiers and Montgomery/Slick didn't have to? I assume you are looking at BVBinfo? Montgomery/Slick is not in the tournament. They are a reserve team. BVBinfo will show reserve teams until the tournament actually starts (because conceivably if they are present and another team has to withdraw, they can be allowed into the tournament. Which is what happened in Long Beach that allowed Larissa/Talita into the event). Doherty/Lucena are the 4th US team in points and are therefore in the qualifier because (except for wildcards) you can't have more than 3 teams from a country automatically in the main draw. Rogers/Brunner actually does have a wildcard, so even though they are the 5th US men's team in entry points, they are in the main draw.
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Post by haze on Jul 29, 2014 14:29:33 GMT -5
Yes I was - thanks for the clarification that makes sense.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 29, 2014 18:10:22 GMT -5
They've had a rough couple weeks, and the timing was such that it ended up dropping some good finishes from last year from their entry points. Thanks. I did see that they had a couple 25ths and 17ths. I didn't factor in the dropped points from last year. I saw Bansley/Pavan play twice in Long Beach, and they were, in all honesty, shockingly bad. They got absolutely hammered in both matches, never scoring more than fourteen points in any of the four games I saw (and it wasn't like they were playing top teams, either). They looked pretty dispirited (although it's hard to tell with Pavan, since she has a little bit of Todd Rogers in her body language). In my personal opinion, if that team has any serious designs on Rio, Pavan has to quit indoor. Finishing her indoor season, coming out to train in Hermosa for ten days, and then stepping onto the World Tour in mid-May isn't a recipe for success. It's not like Pavan and Bansley lack the talent to be a consistently good team - they've shown flashes of that. But they need to get out here in February to begin serious training for the first FIVB event in April. In Long Beach, Pavan looked like she was still playing on "indoor legs," as it were - she needs a lot more time training/playing in the sand. At any rate, the clock is ticking, since Olympic qualification starts next season - I'd really like to see what that team could do with a full-preseason under their belts.
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Post by donnyb on Jul 29, 2014 18:11:22 GMT -5
I thought nick was the 3seeded USA team and gibb was 4th? Nick even has a semi tough draw
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Post by ronnielott on Jul 29, 2014 19:11:43 GMT -5
How do they "decide" wild cards again klzk? Why does Rogey/Brunner get it over Nick/Ryan?
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Post by klazk on Jul 29, 2014 19:33:22 GMT -5
I though nick was the 3seeded USA team and gibb was 4th? Nick even has a semi tough draw They are now. But main draw versus qualifier is determined by entry points which are based on points 21 days before the start of an event. 21 days ago, Lucena/Doherty were 4th. Gibb/Patterson will be in the qualifier for Stare Jablonki.
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Post by klazk on Jul 29, 2014 19:34:45 GMT -5
How do they "decide" wild cards again klzk? Why does Rogey/Brunner get it over Nick/Ryan? One goes to a host country team. The other is at FIVB discretion. I believe the national federation (USAV) has to put in the wildcard request on behalf of the team. I think the only rule is that a player can't get more than 2 per season. Lucena/Doherty don't need a wildcard. They were in anyway (although only to the qualifier). Rogers/Brunner wouldn't have even gotten to play in the event period without the wildcard.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 29, 2014 19:59:29 GMT -5
How do they "decide" wild cards again klzk? Why does Rogey/Brunner get it over Nick/Ryan? One goes to a host country team. The other is at FIVB discretion. I believe the national federation (USAV) has to put in the wildcard request on behalf of the team. I think the only rule is that a player can't get more than 2 per season. Lucena/Doherty don't need a wildcard. They were in anyway (although only to the qualifier). Rogers/Brunner wouldn't have even gotten to play in the event period without the wildcard. Generally, one Wild Card belongs to the FIVB - that one is usually given to the host federation. The second wild card goes to the tournament promoter. Requests for wild cards do have to go through the federation, like USAV, and requests are by no means always accepted. Anyway, I'm not surprised Rogers/Brunner got a wild card - Todd is a Red Bull athlete, plus he's pretty tight with the Klagenfurt promoter, Hannes.
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Post by ronnielott on Jul 29, 2014 20:16:12 GMT -5
One goes to a host country team. The other is at FIVB discretion. I believe the national federation (USAV) has to put in the wildcard request on behalf of the team. I think the only rule is that a player can't get more than 2 per season. Lucena/Doherty don't need a wildcard. They were in anyway (although only to the qualifier). Rogers/Brunner wouldn't have even gotten to play in the event period without the wildcard. Generally, one Wild Card belongs to the FIVB - that one is usually given to the host federation. The second wild card goes to the tournament promoter. Requests for wild cards do have to go through the federation, like USAV, and requests are by no means always accepted. Anyway, I'm not surprised Rogers/Brunner got a wild card - Todd is a Red Bull athlete, plus he's pretty tight with the Klagenfurt promoter, Hannes. Thanks klzk and geddylee. That leads me to my next question about Todd and Phil and Rosie (I think) about Red Bull. Does anybody know how much those guys get paid by Red Bull or what the contract is like?
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Post by camkerr on Jul 30, 2014 6:00:15 GMT -5
I saw Bansley/Pavan play twice in Long Beach, and they were, in all honesty, shockingly bad. They got absolutely hammered in both matches, never scoring more than fourteen points in any of the four games I saw (and it wasn't like they were playing top teams, either). They looked pretty dispirited (although it's hard to tell with Pavan, since she has a little bit of Todd Rogers in her body language). In my personal opinion, if that team has any serious designs on Rio, Pavan has to quit indoor. Finishing her indoor season, coming out to train in Hermosa for ten days, and then stepping onto the World Tour in mid-May isn't a recipe for success. It's not like Pavan and Bansley lack the talent to be a consistently good team - they've shown flashes of that. But they need to get out here in February to begin serious training for the first FIVB event in April. In Long Beach, Pavan looked like she was still playing on "indoor legs," as it were - she needs a lot more time training/playing in the sand. Ya, I can see what you're saying. This year Sarah is gonna be playing indoor in Korea because it's a shorter season, and she can get back to the beach quicker instead of the 10 days prep like you mentioned. I totally see the indoor legs comment too. I want to see her start ripping jump serves like she does indoors too.
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Post by JB Southpaw on Jul 30, 2014 8:04:53 GMT -5
I though nick was the 3seeded USA team and gibb was 4th? Nick even has a semi tough draw ...And Nick/Ryan are out to Hatch/Redman in 3.
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Post by donnyb on Jul 30, 2014 8:22:59 GMT -5
...And Nick/Ryan are out to Hatch/RedmanI saw that and it sucks. lol I knew it was gonna be a tough one. Ryan is just not consistent enough. When he's playing well there a solid team
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Jul 30, 2014 17:43:58 GMT -5
I saw Bansley/Pavan play twice in Long Beach, and they were, in all honesty, shockingly bad. They got absolutely hammered in both matches, never scoring more than fourteen points in any of the four games I saw (and it wasn't like they were playing top teams, either). They looked pretty dispirited (although it's hard to tell with Pavan, since she has a little bit of Todd Rogers in her body language). In my personal opinion, if that team has any serious designs on Rio, Pavan has to quit indoor. Finishing her indoor season, coming out to train in Hermosa for ten days, and then stepping onto the World Tour in mid-May isn't a recipe for success. It's not like Pavan and Bansley lack the talent to be a consistently good team - they've shown flashes of that. But they need to get out here in February to begin serious training for the first FIVB event in April. In Long Beach, Pavan looked like she was still playing on "indoor legs," as it were - she needs a lot more time training/playing in the sand. Ya, I can see what you're saying. This year Sarah is gonna be playing indoor in Korea because it's a shorter season, and she can get back to the beach quicker instead of the 10 days prep like you mentioned. I totally see the indoor legs comment too. I want to see her start ripping jump serves like she does indoors too. I think that's a smart move by Pavan. IIRC, Korea finishes up about a month earlier than European/Brazilian leagues. That extra beach training time is invaluable.
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Post by socalplayer on Jul 30, 2014 22:24:08 GMT -5
I am seeing on the rankings that Gibb and Patterson are ranked as the 4th best US team. Qualifiers? Which one do you think is actively looking or another partner? Patterson will ask Tri....my prediction.
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