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Post by jsn112 on Aug 8, 2014 16:13:58 GMT -5
All of those examples transferred to places where they would play immediately; exactly my point But they didn't transfer to get playing time -- they already had playing time. So was Jessica Yanz. Twice.
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Post by southie on Aug 8, 2014 19:29:26 GMT -5
In some sports, transfers are eligible immediately (unless transferring within their own conference). In football, men's hoops, and women's hoops, you have to sit out a year. So, immediate playing time obviously isn't the main reason for transferring.
In volleyball, there is no such rule as long as you receive your full release. But, to assume immediate playing time "should" be the reason to transfer is just plain narrow-minded.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 8, 2014 19:44:28 GMT -5
All of those examples transferred to places where they would play immediately; exactly my point all of those players were starter were they transferred from, this would be exactly opposite your point.
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Post by volleytology on Aug 8, 2014 19:58:18 GMT -5
All of those examples transferred to places where they would play immediately; exactly my point all of those players were starter were they transferred from, this would be exactly opposite your point. I'll say it again; for WHATEVER reason they are transferring, the reason they should pick the next school is because they can play right away, just as ALL your examples did
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Post by volleytology on Aug 8, 2014 20:03:21 GMT -5
In some sports, transfers are eligible immediately (unless transferring within their own conference). In football, men's hoops, and women's hoops, you have to sit out a year. So, immediate playing time obviously isn't the main reason for transferring. In volleyball, there is not such rule as long as you receive your full release. But, to assume immediate playing time "should" be the reason to transfer is just plain narrow-minded.[/ Here the deal again; If a player has ALREADY decided to transfer for whatever reason, the main reason they should pick their NEXT school is playing time. That's not narrow minded, that's reality and intelligent decision-making
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 8, 2014 20:08:18 GMT -5
all of those players were starter were they transferred from, this would be exactly opposite your point. I'll say it again; for WHATEVER reason they are transferring, the reason they should pick the next school is because they can play right away, just as ALL your examples did so if the reason they transfer is because they don't fit in, or don't like the coach, or are too far from home, the reason they should pick the next school is so they could play right away? Before you argue this remember you said WHATEVER the reason.
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Post by volleytology on Aug 8, 2014 20:14:39 GMT -5
Yes, of course there are other considerations,but the primary reason for choosing the next school for a TRANSFER should be the ability to play right away--for the coach of the new team and the player. Most of the time it's a non-issue as the only reason the new coach is interested in the transfer is that they have an open spot or a need. Not many coaches are interested in wasting scholarships on transfers who will not make an immediate impact
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 8, 2014 20:18:33 GMT -5
Yes, of course there are other considerations,but the primary reason for choosing the next school for a TRANSFER should be the ability to play right away--for the coach of the new team and the player. Most of the time it's a non-issue as the only reason the new coach is interested in the transfer is that they have an open spot or a need. Not many coaches are interested in wasting scholarships on transfers who will not make an immediate impact Call me crazy but their primary reason to choose a school should be for whatever they value most. Obviously kids want to start but it isn't nor should it be the primary reason to choose an institution to pursue your degree.
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Post by volleytology on Aug 8, 2014 20:25:59 GMT -5
Yes, of course there are other considerations,but the primary reason for choosing the next school for a TRANSFER should be the ability to play right away--for the coach of the new team and the player. Most of the time it's a non-issue as the only reason the new coach is interested in the transfer is that they have an open spot or a need. Not many coaches are interested in wasting scholarships on transfers who will not make an immediate impact Call me crazy but their primary reason to choose a school should be for whatever they value most. Obviously kids want to start but it isn't nor should it be the primary reason to choose an institution to pursue your degree. The kid can value anything they want when choosing their FIRST school, things are a bit different when choosing the second one
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Post by Garand on Aug 8, 2014 22:24:42 GMT -5
I think some students may realize after a year that their current school is not a good fit, and decide to transfer for that reason. Where those players fit into a new volleyball program might be a secondary issue to them.
As an example, I know two girls - starters both - who recently transferred from their respective schools after their freshman year with volleyball programs that they (and others) thought were very poorly managed. They moved on to schools with stronger volleyball programs where they risk not being starters. In both cases, their primary consideration in transferring was not based on playing time.
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Post by jsn112 on Aug 8, 2014 23:29:25 GMT -5
I think some students may realize after a year that their current school is not a good fit, and decide to transfer for that reason. Where those players fit into a new volleyball program might be a secondary issue to them. As an example, I know two girls - starters both - who recently transferred from their respective schools after their freshman year with volleyball programs that they (and others) thought were very poorly managed. They moved on to schools with stronger volleyball programs where they risk not being starters. In both cases, their primary consideration in transferring was not based on playing time. Was/is RR and Penn State program poorly managed in your opinion?
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Post by Garand on Aug 9, 2014 1:18:49 GMT -5
Nope. I was speaking about others and their specific reasons for leaving their schools. I don't know anything about Cerame or her reasons for transferring. Penn State appears to very well managed indeed. My point was that it isn't always about playing time - at either end of the transfer.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 9, 2014 8:34:07 GMT -5
Call me crazy but their primary reason to choose a school should be for whatever they value most. Obviously kids want to start but it isn't nor should it be the primary reason to choose an institution to pursue your degree. The kid can value anything they want when choosing their FIRST school, things are a bit different when choosing the second one I makes zero sense that the second time around HAS to be about playing time. If that isn't the main issue for the transfer it wouldn't be the primary objective. Clearly for you it would be, but each player is different.
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Post by volleytology on Aug 9, 2014 9:59:48 GMT -5
The kid can value anything they want when choosing their FIRST school, things are a bit different when choosing the second one I makes zero sense that the second time around HAS to be about playing time. If that isn't the main issue for the transfer it wouldn't be the primary objective. Clearly for you it would be, but each player is different. Actually it is about playing time, because coaches don't pursue transfers unless there is a positional need on their current team, so whether the player likes it or not, that's what it's about. Transferring into a non-scholarship situation is a different story, you can have any priority you want.
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Post by lepetitfromage on Aug 10, 2014 11:25:09 GMT -5
Bump
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