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Post by mikegarrison on Aug 27, 2014 13:45:21 GMT -5
agreed, so where is it easy to play at? and why? let's see, Belmont Shore, a school with a good (not great) reputation with enough employable majors to choose from, a very good conference, a coach that knows how to train players, a very nice facility by VB standards, a decent fan base what exactly would one want to be easy? and should a coach want players who want to do things easily? $5,000 stipends maybe would help :) sheeeesh, always interesting to discuss the Beach, can't wait to see how this team plays I think the point is, if you are a player, having Brian as a coach is great if you are winning and competing at a high level. If you aren't making the tournament, there are much better options and trade-offs. What are you trying to say? Because what you actually did say doesn't really make much sense. Isn't it always better to be winning and making the tournament?
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 27, 2014 13:51:57 GMT -5
I think the point is, if you are a player, having Brian as a coach is great if you are winning and competing at a high level. If you aren't making the tournament, there are much better options and trade-offs. What are you trying to say? Because what you actually did say doesn't really make much sense. Isn't it always better to be winning and making the tournament? I'm saying he can be a difficult person to deal with, and players were willing to tolerate that if there was a reward. There's not much reward anymore.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 27, 2014 13:52:23 GMT -5
agreed, so where is it easy to play at? and why? let's see, Belmont Shore, a school with a good (not great) reputation with enough employable majors to choose from, a very good conference, a coach that knows how to train players, a very nice facility by VB standards, a decent fan base what exactly would one want to be easy? and should a coach want players who want to do things easily? $5,000 stipends maybe would help sheeeesh, always interesting to discuss the Beach, can't wait to see how this team plays I think the point is, if you are already a decent player with average to good club training, having Brian as a coach is great if you are winning and competing at a high level. If you aren't making the tournament, there are better options and trade-offs. sure, if you aren't winning and making the tournament, go play for Chico State!!!
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 27, 2014 13:56:51 GMT -5
What are you trying to say? Because what you actually did say doesn't really make much sense. Isn't it always better to be winning and making the tournament? I'm saying he can be a difficult person to deal with, and players were willing to tolerate that if there was a reward. There's not much reward anymore. lol, your points are so simplistic. 1) Hawaii came in the conference, otherwise a depleted LB team in 2012 would still have made made the tournament (and they still were winning mostly despite losing both starting MBs and setter the start of the season). 2) Last year was bad, and it only magnified the dependancy and inconsitancy needing a never healthy Hampton to succeed. and it's not like they weren't winning any matches - sheeesh - let's just see how this season plays out.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 27, 2014 14:15:56 GMT -5
I think the point is, if you are already a decent player with average to good club training, having Brian as a coach is great if you are winning and competing at a high level. If you aren't making the tournament, there are better options and trade-offs. sure, if you aren't winning and making the tournament, go play for Chico State!!! Or Northridge, Santa Barbara, Irvine or even Fullerton.
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Aug 27, 2014 14:54:32 GMT -5
haha ... whatever "agenda" volleyguy is suggesting that the article has ... volleyguy seems to have a larger one.
good luck to the beach on their tough set of opening weekend matches. a healthy beach is a scary beach team.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 27, 2014 15:07:27 GMT -5
This is from an article on Wisconsin's two transfers that originally appeared in Varsity Magazine last week. "I committed (to Long Beach State) when I was a sophomore," Juley said. "I had played on a club team (in Illinois) where I wasn’t shown that much and I was just kind of playing for fun, so I didn’t get a lot of (national) exposure. I kind of sneaked in there and it worked out really well."
As a true freshman, ready or not, Juley took over as the Long Beach State setter because of a lack of production at the position. And she sparked the 49ers to a Big West Conference-best .252 hitting percentage and finished the season with a 10.61 assist per set average that ranked third in the conference.
In retrospect, Juley admitted, "I probably shouldn’t have played my freshman year."
Physically, she felt it took too much of a toll on her surgically-repaired left knee, which she first injured in high school. "I’ve had three knee surgeries (overall)," said Juley who played in two matches before taking a medical redshirt as a sophomore at Long Beach State. "It took forever to heal after that."
Nonetheless, a resilient Juley bounced back to start all 29 matches last season for the 49ers. But there were some differences of opinion on what was next for her within the program. Gimmillaro wanted to move in another direction. "And if I wanted to continue my career, I had to leave," Juley said.www.uwbadgers.com/sports/w-volley/spec-rel/082714aaa.htmlIt sounds from this and the article the OP shared that Gimmillaro attributes the lackluster 2012 & 2013 seasons to injuries, so he's purged the team of those chronically players. It sounds from other posts on here like some folks think that it's not just the injuries that caused the problem.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 27, 2014 15:18:30 GMT -5
haha ... whatever "agenda" volleyguy is suggesting that the article has ... volleyguy seems to have a larger one. good luck to the beach on their tough set of opening weekend matches. a healthy beach is a scary beach team. Well, I actually didn't mean to come off that way. I was reacting to the tone of the article which I didn't see as the usual optimistic "it's a new season and a fresh start" that you normally see with regard to the program from the local hometown newspaper. In the end, I believe that the biggest obstacle to Brian Gimmillaro's ability to return to some level of his past success is BG himself.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 27, 2014 15:47:48 GMT -5
haha ... whatever "agenda" volleyguy is suggesting that the article has ... volleyguy seems to have a larger one. good luck to the beach on their tough set of opening weekend matches. a healthy beach is a scary beach team. Well, I actually didn't mean to come off that way. I was reacting to the tone of the article which I didn't see as the usual optimistic "it's a new season and a fresh start" that you normally see with regard to the program from the local hometown newspaper. In the end, I believe that the biggest obstacle to Brian Gimmillaro's ability to return to some level of his past success is BG himself. I do kind of agree with you about the tone of the article. Especially this part: It very much had a tone of "fool me once, shame on you..." Almost like he's thinking of himself as this great guy who is too soft-hearted, as if the aforementioned players were wounded animals he'd tried to nurse back to health. I don't know Gimmillaro at all, and those quotes could've been taken wildly out of context. This is my first exposure to him, and the article very much doesn't paint him in a flattering light.
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Post by onfiya on Aug 27, 2014 16:08:11 GMT -5
BG is a little nutty, at the very least. He says he plans to stay around until 2020, but if the program is to be nationally viable again, a change should come sooner, rather than later.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 27, 2014 17:39:11 GMT -5
[/quote] I do kind of agree with you about the tone of the article. Especially this part:
It very much had a tone of "fool me once, shame on you..." Almost like he's thinking of himself as this great guy who is too soft-hearted, as if the aforementioned players were wounded animals he'd tried to nurse back to health.
I don't know Gimmillaro at all, and those quotes could've been taken wildly out of context. This is my first exposure to him, and the article very much doesn't paint him in a flattering light.[/quote]
lol, I hestitated even posting that article - I suspected a lot of people would try to twirl their own opinion/agenda regarding it. and lo and behold.....
I think there is a lot of context that IMO is suspect from posters on the program. I think one would really have to have followed the performance and nuances of the program the last couple of years to really understand some of the quotes (and people on VT tend to magnify what little comes out of players and coaches for a niche NCAA sport) - I'm certainly not even close to the most knowledge person on teh program, but as a fan/alumni who has seen a significant amount of the Beach team the last few years, the quotes are really close to accurate IMO, and I would consider them matter-of-fact quotes more than anyting. IMO, Hampton was given nine lives - not saying that was good or bad - but her situation hovered over the entire program - and if she hadn't transfered out it would have been anotehr huge cloud and unnecessary drawa again this year. Juley I think was a different case, she IMO was very determined, and those unique cases (they both came into the program with an injury history) and their injuries weren't do to some phantom 'injury-prone' training regimen. BG broght them in, they were there for 4 & 5 years, so I think the context of some of the comments on the article is misplaced. as to his coaching, let's see what the results are this year
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Post by ncaavballguru on Aug 27, 2014 18:39:35 GMT -5
Gimmillaro enjoyed his greatest success by using the following formula:
- recruit lesser known, raw ATHLETES over more polished and skilled volleyball players - train them relentlessly until their skill level rose to the level that put their team into contention - play the fast, Asian style of volleyball, utilizing speed and quickness over raw strength and power
These critical factors no longer work for LBSU because:
- there are no raw, untrained ATHLETES that fall below the radar and can be scooped up by programs like LBSU. Because the club system has grown so much in the past 20 years, even a raw athlete with an interest in playing volleyball will be scooped up by some club and have all her expenses paid for because it increases that club's reputation and ability to challenge on the national JO level - new regulations by the NCAA over the past 2 decades limit the amount of off-season and in-season training allowed by all programs, in essence leveling the playing field and preventing programs like LBSU from gaining an upper hand by training many more hours than the average NCAA Program in a calendar year - the fast style doesn't beat the power style anymore because even the power style can play fast. LBSU prided itself on it's speed and it's defense. Programs like USC, Nebraska, and PSU have shown over the last decade that power, aggressive serving, and BLOCKING are what dominate at the elite level of women's NCAA volleyball.
Gimmillaro is an Arie Sellinger disciple and coaches and trains his team in that style. That style no longer works. Even Arie Sellinger himself evolved his training and techniques when he moved from the women's game to the men's game when he coached the Dutch men's team to an Olympic Gold Medal. LBSU still does barrel rolls instead of pancakes and dives, their hitters still do a 3-step instead of a 4-step approach, their footwork still looks like stuff from the 70's. It might work up to a certain level, but there are more proven and more biomechanically superior ways to play volleyball nowdays. I'm not sure Gimmillaro is willing to give up a formula he has stuck to for so many years. Sort of the old dog, new tricks scenario there.
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Post by volleyguy on Aug 27, 2014 19:05:24 GMT -5
lol, I hestitated even posting that article - I suspected a lot of people would try to twirl their own opinion/agenda regarding it. and lo and behold..... I think there is a lot of context that IMO is suspect from posters on the program. I think one would really have to have followed the performance and nuances of the program the last couple of years to really understand some of the quotes (and people on VT tend to magnify what little comes out of players and coaches for a niche NCAA sport) - I'm certainly not even close to the most knowledge person on teh program, but as a fan/alumni who has seen a significant amount of the Beach team the last few years, the quotes are really close to accurate IMO, and I would consider them matter-of-fact quotes more than anyting. IMO, Hampton was given nine lives - not saying that was good or bad - but her situation hovered over the entire program - and if she hadn't transfered out it would have been anotehr huge cloud and unnecessary drawa again this year. Juley I think was a different case, she IMO was very determined, and those unique cases (they both came into the program with an injury history) and their injuries weren't do to some phantom 'injury-prone' training regimen. BG broght them in, they were there for 4 & 5 years, so I think the context of some of the comments on the article is misplaced. as to his coaching, let's see what the results are this year I think you are being disingenuous with your argument, particularly with regard to the idea that injuries alone are responsible for the decline of Long Beach's volleyball program. In the past ten years since 2004, Long Beach has won the conference championship only 4 times. Since Hawaii re-joined the conference two seasons ago, Hawaii has won or shared the conference title, while Long Beach finished fourth and second. Whether or not some players had previous injuries, they were on scholarship because they were likely seen as the best option available at the time. The reality of any team with post-season aspirations is to either win the conference automatic bid or to have an RPI in the top 40 or so range. For teams in mid-major conferences, the latter is a difficult thing to do given the built-in advantage of a conference schedule in the BCS conferences. Injuries alone don't account for the difficulty Long Beach has had in being the best team in it's own conference, let alone returning to some level of national prominence. This is a simple reality backed by the history of the last decade.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Aug 27, 2014 19:38:07 GMT -5
lol, I hestitated even posting that article - I suspected a lot of people would try to twirl their own opinion/agenda regarding it. and lo and behold..... I think there is a lot of context that IMO is suspect from posters on the program. I think one would really have to have followed the performance and nuances of the program the last couple of years to really understand some of the quotes (and people on VT tend to magnify what little comes out of players and coaches for a niche NCAA sport) - I'm certainly not even close to the most knowledge person on teh program, but as a fan/alumni who has seen a significant amount of the Beach team the last few years, the quotes are really close to accurate IMO, and I would consider them matter-of-fact quotes more than anyting. IMO, Hampton was given nine lives - not saying that was good or bad - but her situation hovered over the entire program - and if she hadn't transfered out it would have been anotehr huge cloud and unnecessary drawa again this year. Juley I think was a different case, she IMO was very determined, and those unique cases (they both came into the program with an injury history) and their injuries weren't do to some phantom 'injury-prone' training regimen. BG broght them in, they were there for 4 & 5 years, so I think the context of some of the comments on the article is misplaced. as to his coaching, let's see what the results are this year I think you are being disingenuous with your argument, particularly with regard to the idea that injuries alone are responsible for the decline of Long Beach's volleyball program. In the past ten years since 2004, Long Beach has won the conference championship only 4 times. Since Hawaii re-joined the conference two seasons ago, Hawaii has won or shared the conference title, while Long Beach finished fourth and second. The reality of any team with post-season aspirations is to either win the conference automatic bid or to have an RPI in the top 40 or so range. For teams in mid-major conferences, the latter is a difficult thing to do given the built-in advantage of a conference schedule in the BCS conferences. Injuries alone don't account for the difficulty Long Beach has had in being the best team in it's own conference, let alone returning to some level of national prominence. This is a simple reality backed by the history of the last decade. where did I say injuries alone are responsible for the decline of LB's volleyball program?? lol - you are missing context completely. the article was not written by BG the fact is specifically in 2012, injuries were a major part of the team performance - 2012 the team lost bothe their setter and MBs by the 2nd game (and none of those injuries were training injuries), then the starting replacement setter was injured, 2012 IMO was actually a very well coached team considering the talent that was left to play on that team. BG was big west co-coach of the year - so much for the inference he can't develop a team or train them properly - 2012 runs contrary to that the article wasn't an article covering in depth the 'decline' of the program, it was simply pointing the very recent past - which WAS dominated by Hampton physical drama - and yes that falls ultimately on the coach as to a separate discussion of the LB program and 'decline', it's clear LB does not get the top athletes it used to, duh, for lots of reasons, se of BCS funded programs, more talent spread overall, perhaps even the departure of Debbie Green which has coincided with the setter position being a revolving door, compounded by plug-ins and Juley's injury. I think the article was clear - injuries (and really the drama with their MB's physand ical problems was the elephant in the room) and how it affected the team and the coaches response to the last COUPLE of years (not decade) is basically what the story was about - sheeesh!!! there are other valid discussions of why LB hasn't advanced past the 2nd round in the last decade, but that is not what the article was about, and CLEARLY from the article, the expectations are the team SHOULD be better in 2014 versus the last two years - and now one will shortly find out what those results are - that's it!! Clearly this 2014 team and 2014 seniors and BG have a LOT they can prove - we will see what they have. correct? maybe this article will be more to your liking www.daily49er.com/sports/2014/08/26/womens-volleyball-misses-ncaa-tournament-two-years-in-a-row/
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Post by beachgrad on Aug 27, 2014 19:40:59 GMT -5
This thread is amazing with the parroting of inaccurate information over and over about Brian and his program. I guess if you saw it on this board once it must be true and worthy of repeating over and over again, making it true for many readers of this board. I just do not understand why so many members of this board attack Brian and LBSU.
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