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Post by volleyguy on Sept 5, 2014 13:14:42 GMT -5
While I agree that Coach Wise has created a great program at Florida, if Florida doesn't make a Final Four in the next 5 years, does the AD continue to support her indefinitely, or is time to accept that she can't get Florida back to that elite level she achieved more than 10 years ago? I acknowledge that it's tough to reach the championship match and win it, but an occasional Final Four should be a requirement for a head coach who is probably earning a Top 5 salary nationally. If she is still winning SEC titles (they will) and advancing to NCAA's absolutely. Mary is loved at UF and her job is as secure as ANY coach in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the country that would dispute that. Including the Russ Rose's, Dunning, Cook, Haley. Particularly in a non-rev sport, I think any AD in the country would consider where they are at now as "at an elite level" If it were mens football and basketball, a drop from top 5 top top 10-15 maybe, but not volleyball especially when you are so highly regarded as a person, role model, as Mary is. It would take a 7 year total bottom out, or a wild Eustachy night out on the town for Florida to let Mary go. Let's not get carried away, now. It's true she's not in any way in danger, but AD's, not coaches, hire and fire, and the Florida AD has been there for over 20 years. At some point, a new AD will take over, at which point everything you suggest may or may not continue to be true.
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Post by southie on Sept 5, 2014 13:19:57 GMT -5
While I agree that Coach Wise has created a great program at Florida, if Florida doesn't make a Final Four in the next 5 years, does the AD continue to support her indefinitely, or is time to accept that she can't get Florida back to that elite level she achieved more than 10 years ago? I acknowledge that it's tough to reach the championship match and win it, but an occasional Final Four should be a requirement for a head coach who is probably earning a Top 5 salary nationally. If she is still winning SEC titles (they will) and advancing to NCAA's absolutely. Mary is loved at UF and her job is as secure as ANY coach in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the country that would dispute that. Including the Russ Rose's, Dunning, Cook, Haley. Particularly in a non-rev sport, I think any AD in the country would consider where they are at now as "at an elite level" If it were mens football and basketball, a drop from top 5 top top 10-15 maybe, but not volleyball especially when you are so highly regarded as a person, role model, as Mary is. It would take a 7 year total bottom out, or a wild Eustachy night out on the town for Florida to let Mary go. Fair enough. It's tough for a head coach to maintain the program they built at its peak (regardless of the sport). Eventually, though, the AD decides if he/she is happy with Conference Volleyball Championships, or thinks Final Four appearances should be the standard based on the coach's salary. Foley just saw Gator softball win a national title, and I believe the soccer team made a run a few years ago; neither program or head coach has been around as long as volleyball and Coach Wise.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 5, 2014 13:21:38 GMT -5
If she is still winning SEC titles (they will) and advancing to NCAA's absolutely. Mary is loved at UF and her job is as secure as ANY coach in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the country that would dispute that. Including the Russ Rose's, Dunning, Cook, Haley. Particularly in a non-rev sport, I think any AD in the country would consider where they are at now as "at an elite level" If it were mens football and basketball, a drop from top 5 top top 10-15 maybe, but not volleyball especially when you are so highly regarded as a person, role model, as Mary is. It would take a 7 year total bottom out, or a wild Eustachy night out on the town for Florida to let Mary go. Let's not get carried away, now. It's true she's not in any way in danger, but AD's, not coaches, hire and fire, and the Florida AD has been there for over 20 years. At some point, a new AD will take over, at which point everything you suggest may or may not continue to be true. I don't believe their AD is going anywhere, but certainly a new AD would impact that some as their isn't that relationship which I described as being part of her security, on top of a ridiculously successful record. At the end of the day we are really just discussing one of the silliest things ever suggested on here, we all know her job security couldn't possibly be any more solid.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Sept 5, 2014 13:23:43 GMT -5
If she is still winning SEC titles (they will) and advancing to NCAA's absolutely. Mary is loved at UF and her job is as secure as ANY coach in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the country that would dispute that. Including the Russ Rose's, Dunning, Cook, Haley. Particularly in a non-rev sport, I think any AD in the country would consider where they are at now as "at an elite level" If it were mens football and basketball, a drop from top 5 top top 10-15 maybe, but not volleyball especially when you are so highly regarded as a person, role model, as Mary is. It would take a 7 year total bottom out, or a wild Eustachy night out on the town for Florida to let Mary go. Fair enough. It's tough for a head coach to maintain the program they built at its peak (regardless of the sport). Eventually, though, the AD decides if he/she is happy with Conference Volleyball Championships, or thinks Final Four appearances should be the standard based on the coach's salary. Foley just saw Gator softball win a national title, and I believe the soccer team made a run a few years ago; neither program or head coach has been around as long as volleyball and Coach Wise. But Gator softball and soccer are playing in conferences/regions that compete and win for titles. It's apples and oranges. And it's not just that they're winning conference titles occasionally, it's every darn year since Methuselah graduated. Huge difference when you are the premier team in your conference by a mile.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 5, 2014 13:24:08 GMT -5
If she is still winning SEC titles (they will) and advancing to NCAA's absolutely. Mary is loved at UF and her job is as secure as ANY coach in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the country that would dispute that. Including the Russ Rose's, Dunning, Cook, Haley. Particularly in a non-rev sport, I think any AD in the country would consider where they are at now as "at an elite level" If it were mens football and basketball, a drop from top 5 top top 10-15 maybe, but not volleyball especially when you are so highly regarded as a person, role model, as Mary is. It would take a 7 year total bottom out, or a wild Eustachy night out on the town for Florida to let Mary go. Fair enough. It's tough for a head coach to maintain the program they built at its peak (regardless of the sport). Eventually, though, the AD decides if he/she is happy with Conference Volleyball Championships, or thinks Final Four appearances should be the standard based on the coach's salary. Foley just saw Gator softball win a national title, and I believe the soccer team made a run a few years ago; neither program or head coach has been around as long as volleyball and Coach Wise. If you've read articles, seen interviews, Foley thinks Mary walked on water, and he probably should.
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Post by liquid running on Sept 5, 2014 13:36:12 GMT -5
If she is still winning SEC titles (they will) and advancing to NCAA's absolutely. Mary is loved at UF and her job is as secure as ANY coach in the country. I don't think there is a coach in the country that would dispute that. Including the Russ Rose's, Dunning, Cook, Haley. Particularly in a non-rev sport, I think any AD in the country would consider where they are at now as "at an elite level" If it were mens football and basketball, a drop from top 5 top top 10-15 maybe, but not volleyball especially when you are so highly regarded as a person, role model, as Mary is. It would take a 7 year total bottom out, or a wild Eustachy night out on the town for Florida to let Mary go. Fair enough. It's tough for a head coach to maintain the program they built at its peak (regardless of the sport). Eventually, though, the AD decides if he/she is happy with Conference Volleyball Championships, or thinks Final Four appearances should be the standard based on the coach's salary. Foley just saw Gator softball win a national title, and I believe the soccer team made a run a few years ago; neither program or head coach has been around as long as volleyball and Coach Wise. FYI the Florida soccer team won a national championship a long time ago in, I believe, Becky Burleigh's fourth year . She was hired when the team was created and hasn't come close to the national championship in many years.
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Post by southie on Sept 5, 2014 13:42:02 GMT -5
Fair enough. It's tough for a head coach to maintain the program they built at its peak (regardless of the sport). Eventually, though, the AD decides if he/she is happy with Conference Volleyball Championships, or thinks Final Four appearances should be the standard based on the coach's salary. Foley just saw Gator softball win a national title, and I believe the soccer team made a run a few years ago; neither program or head coach has been around as long as volleyball and Coach Wise. But Gator softball and soccer are playing in conferences/regions that compete and win for titles. It's apples and oranges. Not sure I agree with that at all. No other SEC team has won a soccer national title. Only Alabama two seasons ago and Florida this season have won softball national titles. Softball was forever dominated by the PAC, and the SEC started their program years later. Even Florida women's gymnastics has recently surpassed juggernauts, Alabama and Georgia, and I believe they were co-national champions with Oklahoma. My point is that Wise and Gator volleyball have been around the longest (other than perhaps swimming and tennis), and still haven't delivered the huge prize, while other women's coaches in other Gator sports have had less tenure, and got it done sooner.
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Post by kro2488 on Sept 5, 2014 13:44:39 GMT -5
With how well she analyzes the game I always wondered how Wise would do as the national team coach for the women but I like her too much to see her leave Florida. She's like the total opposite of Karch in timeouts but most coaches are I suppose lol
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Post by montechello on Sept 5, 2014 14:12:14 GMT -5
The problem is that Florida, like Texas, recruit great athletes and consistently fail to develop that talent. Right. The resources at Florida, Nebraska and Texas make those teams great, with or without Wise, Cook or Elliott. Wise has underachieved, especially during the past decade of no Final Fours. Winning the SEC? Big deal. That should be automatic for Florida. At Nebraska, Pettit and the power of Husker Nation deserve all the credit for anything Cook has achieved. In either job, at Florida or Nebraska, it would be difficult to fail, even for a mediocre coach. Top-level success is built in. Anything less is underperformance. When Florida State is better than Florida, FSU is overachieving, and FU is underachieving.
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Post by goodtobeagator on Sept 5, 2014 17:46:10 GMT -5
The problem is that Florida, like Texas, recruit great athletes and consistently fail to develop that talent. Right. The resources at Florida, Nebraska and Texas make those teams great, with or without Wise, Cook or Elliott. Wise has underachieved, especially during the past decade of no Final Fours. Winning the SEC? Big deal. That should be automatic for Florida. At Nebraska, Pettit and the power of Husker Nation deserve all the credit for anything Cook has achieved. In either job, at Florida or Nebraska, it would be difficult to fail, even for a mediocre coach. Top-level success is built in. Anything less is underperformance. When Florida State is better than Florida, FSU is overachieving, and FU is underachieving. Dude, Mary's closing in on 800 career wins. She doesn't have enough fingers and toes for her sec rings (which she will probably get another this year). Florida is top 10 in attendance consistently and is top 10 in the polls annually. Fans freakin love her. She's going nowhere unless she decides to. And that's 10-15 years down the road. I wouldn't trade her for any coach in the country. Neither would Foley who, coincidentally, lives in her neighborhood in Haile. Only one putting pressure on Mary is herself.
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Post by southie on Sept 5, 2014 22:18:10 GMT -5
The problem is that Florida, like Texas, recruit great athletes and consistently fail to develop that talent. Right. The resources at Florida, Nebraska and Texas make those teams great, with or without Wise, Cook or Elliott. Is that so? Is that why former Texas coach, Jim Moore drove the Texas program into the ground before he was finally fired?
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Post by montechello on Sept 6, 2014 23:47:34 GMT -5
Mary's closing in on 800 career wins. She doesn't have enough fingers and toes for her sec rings It's only the SEC. SEC volleyball, not football. My granny could win 800 volleyball matches with Florida's resources and recruiting advantages over the rest of the SEC.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Sept 7, 2014 0:26:02 GMT -5
Right. The resources at Florida, Nebraska and Texas make those teams great, with or without Wise, Cook or Elliott. Wise has underachieved, especially during the past decade of no Final Fours. Winning the SEC? Big deal. That should be automatic for Florida. At Nebraska, Pettit and the power of Husker Nation deserve all the credit for anything Cook has achieved. In either job, at Florida or Nebraska, it would be difficult to fail, even for a mediocre coach. Top-level success is built in. Anything less is underperformance. When Florida State is better than Florida, FSU is overachieving, and FU is underachieving. Dude, Mary's closing in on 800 career wins. She doesn't have enough fingers and toes for her sec rings (which she will probably get another this year). Florida is top 10 in attendance consistently and is top 10 in the polls annually. Fans freakin love her. She's going nowhere unless she decides to. And that's 10-15 years down the road. I wouldn't trade her for any coach in the country. Neither would Foley who, coincidentally, lives in her neighborhood in Haile. Only one putting pressure on Mary is herself. I don't think some folks get that. I never suggested Mary was the best coach, but no coach in the country has "better" job security.
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