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Post by mikegarrison on Sept 15, 2014 18:46:49 GMT -5
How can A&M be behind SC? They beat em in LA. I know, I know, bad loss, but I put more stock in those head to head battles. Both teams know it's for big stakes. And A&M behind San Diego also makes little sense. I would put Oregon higher, they've beaten 3 B1G teams and Hawaii, that rates ahead of BYU and USC, also Colorado State, which has a loss and their big plum is a BYU win. Besides Texas, Big 12 is not represented well in the poll, and they have the 2nd best conference winning %, by an easy margin. I'd put FSU ahead of Wisconsin and Washington until one of those two emerges victorious this weekend. Florida State has played an impressive schedule and won them all. pablo has USC pretty far ahead of TAMU. According to pablo, USC wins that match 3/4 of the time. That still leaves the 1/4 of the time, though....
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Post by Mocha on Sept 15, 2014 18:49:18 GMT -5
Maybe this is why Mick is one of very few voters not to have Texas A&M in the top 25 Woah! I did not notice that. Interesting. Granted... 11 other coaches did not vote Texas A&M in their top 25 either. Thought-provoking that the following coaches ranked Texas A&M above USC... Dagenais, Humphreys, Goldberg, and Johnson-Lynch. Interesting considering Dagenais was Mick's assistant at USC before taking the UCF job.
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Post by alpacaone on Sept 15, 2014 19:15:47 GMT -5
I am a Gopher, but I have no idea how they keep moving up; their one big win is against Iowa State, their one loss is against Louisville, the next best team they played is Tulsa. The combined rpi of the other 5 wins has to be over 700. They were against the ropes against Millwakee and Boston College. I know the team has a lot of respect.
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Post by ay2013 on Sept 15, 2014 19:46:44 GMT -5
How can A&M be behind SC? They beat em in LA. I know, I know, bad loss, but I put more stock in those head to head battles. Both teams know it's for big stakes. And A&M behind San Diego also makes little sense. I would put Oregon higher, they've beaten 3 B1G teams and Hawaii, that rates ahead of BYU and USC, also Colorado State, which has a loss and their big plum is a BYU win. Besides Texas, Big 12 is not represented well in the poll, and they have the 2nd best conference winning %, by an easy margin. I'd put FSU ahead of Wisconsin and Washington until one of those two emerges victorious this weekend. Florida State has played an impressive schedule and won them all. that doesn't seem very cogent. Team A and Team B should be ranked lower than Team C, but when Team A and Team B play each other, the victor should jump Team C. You are arguing that FSU should be ranked higher than both Wisconsin and Washington, which is fine on it's own, but I'm not sure why you think that the victor of that match should then be ranked higher than FSU. I mean, ideally, teams should only jump other teams if they beat a team ranked higher than the team they jump. If FSU is ranked higher than both Washington and Wisconsin, why should their match have any impact on FSU? Sure it doesn't work out that way, but I think advocating a different approach sounds messy. Frankly, I think FSU is in great position to move up based on reverse rankings. Depending on how good North Carolina really is, FSU's conference schedule doesn't really present a huge ranking threat, whereas Wisconsin's and Washington's do. I'm usually ok with the Pac-12 and Big 10 having *inflated* rankings in the preseason based on perception and the other conferences actually earning higher rankings. It's 4 weeks of favorable rankings for the Pac-12 and Big 10, versus 10 weeks of favorable rankings for conferences that aren't chalked full of big programs. In the end, Wisconsin and Washington will play many more ranked teams than FSU, yet FSU, assuming they don't lose in conference, will slowly rise, whereas Wisconsin and Washington have the big possibility of falling, simply by playing more matches against top competition.
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Post by lionsfan on Sept 15, 2014 22:21:23 GMT -5
It has some bearing but not as much as you may think. That loss to UTSA is more impactful than any victory the Aggies had this weekend. Did I mention that UTSA has only 2 wins this season with one of those wins coming against the Aggies? As for Hawai'i, the streak of being a ranked team for 22 straight seasons is gone but it is what it is. The Wahine are only going to get better now that Taylor is back in the lineup... With a healthy Taylor, I doubt the Wahine would have 3 losses on their resume. And the three losses are three losses regardless of who played. Maybe if Aggies had their top setter available they win against UTSA. Simple fact is they didn't and Hawaii didn't win their three matches either. Against top 25 Hawaii hasn't won but Aggies 2-0. I would rather wait until after the two matches with Florida State to assess their improvement from first week but I figured Texas A&M would be about 20 so 21 is fine by me Exactly...Texas A&M was without Stephanie Aiple (shoulder) for that match. And they have better wins than Hawaii (who I would still have ranked, at 25, in my poll).
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Sept 15, 2014 22:35:29 GMT -5
And the three losses are three losses regardless of who played. Maybe if Aggies had their top setter available they win against UTSA. Simple fact is they didn't and Hawaii didn't win their three matches either. Against top 25 Hawaii hasn't won but Aggies 2-0. I would rather wait until after the two matches with Florida State to assess their improvement from first week but I figured Texas A&M would be about 20 so 21 is fine by me Exactly...Texas A&M was without Stephanie Aiple (shoulder) for that match. And they have better wins than Hawaii (who I would still have ranked, at 25, in my poll). Hawai'i was without its top OH in all 3 losses (to AVCA top 25 teams.) The Aggies lost to a two-win UTSA team, big difference there. I acknowledge the 2 top 25 wins. That said, I also acknowledge the loss to an unranked, two-win UTSA team.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Sept 15, 2014 22:37:04 GMT -5
Exactly...Texas A&M was without Stephanie Aiple (shoulder) for that match. And they have better wins than Hawaii (who I would still have ranked, at 25, in my poll). Hawai'i was without its top OH in all 3 losses (to AVCA top 25 teams.) The Aggies lost to a two-win UTSA team, big difference there. Not to mention all 3 matches were pretty much even and could have gone either way. Hawaii has surpassed my expectations this year. With Taylor back, we should easily win the big west
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Post by Seahawks 1972 on Sept 15, 2014 23:05:18 GMT -5
Yes, in Navy terms, they always build a fleet around an Aircraft Carrier. That Aircraft Carrier is Nikki Taylor. Then you have the Destroyers, which are the 2 Kalei's, followed by the Missile Destroyer which is Tai Manu-Olevao, and last, but not least is the Cruiser, a quick strike vessel, and that is Olivia Magill. Kalei Adolpho is more like a submarine; sometimes she disappears. Too funny
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Post by baywatcher on Sept 16, 2014 0:59:34 GMT -5
Re putting winner of Washington Wisconsin above Florida State, that's being more results oriented than reputation; and if Florida State wins twice at A&M maybe I'm wrong. Frankly as a PAC guy have to put my money on SC if they played A&M again, but they did lose. If Sc gets free ball or soft hit crazy because they can't pass I think Carloni will eat them up, a la Texas last FF. UW should be a different match.
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Post by azvb on Sept 16, 2014 15:08:19 GMT -5
If wishes were ponies then every little girl in America would have one. That's what's known as "magical thinking." If I want it badly enough, it will come true! What's important here is not Mick's motivation, it is the fact that he has some real talent to work with. What are you talking about? The coach will look at situation and adjust. He always has. Magical thinking.............that whats you bring to this board sometimes.............but I know you are the Einstein of volleytalk since Beachnan dont show up here any more and AZVB is worried about the weather. Wait.....I......don't.......what? Overcast today, BTW.
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Post by wonderwarthog79 on Sept 16, 2014 16:39:37 GMT -5
Coaches rate SC ahead of A&M because they believe (know) SC is a better team than A&M. Screw the score. If FSU beats A&M twice, ho hum, but the winner of the UW-UW match deserves to be rated ahead of FSU. Hell, the loser deserves to be rated ahead of FSU. FSU has one nice win against an obviously beat up Nebraska, another against FLA and two meh 3-2 eke outs in DC--big deal. Come back and see us when they beat a top ten team the rest of the season. Oops. They don't play any!
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Post by bigfan on Sept 16, 2014 20:38:49 GMT -5
What are you talking about? The coach will look at situation and adjust. He always has. Magical thinking.............that whats you bring to this board sometimes.............but I know you are the Einstein of volleytalk since Beachnan dont show up here any more and AZVB is worried about the weather. Wait.....I......don't.......what? Overcast today, BTW. Sorry azvb................but you have always concerned ABOUT WOMENS VOLLEYBALL and the weather. I hope you take this apology from me.
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Post by azvb on Sept 16, 2014 22:04:59 GMT -5
Wait.....I......don't.......what? Overcast today, BTW. Sorry azvb................but you have always concerned ABOUT WOMENS VOLLEYBALL and the weather. I hope you take this apology from me.
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