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Post by tomclen on Oct 22, 2014 8:29:47 GMT -5
RPI will settle the 'seed' debate for USC.
Right now their RPI is 15..they likely get a seed.
Bluepenguins RPI Future has them ending with a 25...no seed.
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Post by vbnerd on Oct 22, 2014 8:33:02 GMT -5
Really? Cause I'm pretty sure both teams based the credibility of their schedule on their pair of matches with Florida. That makes no sense.
Texas is not an inexperienced team.
If you want to make the argument that Texas will be the 1st out, no problem. But comparing them to last year's Missouri team is ridiculous.The point wasn't even that they would be first out. The point was that they are vulnerable to be because their ridiculous schedule does so little to prepare them for the post-season, like Missouri last year. Texas is playing a 5 or 6 match season.
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Post by baywatcher on Oct 22, 2014 8:35:54 GMT -5
Missouri had a miserable OOC last year. Texas has played, and beaten, Arizona, Nebraska and Florida, off the top of my head, and believe me, one of the last bits of info stuffed in there is Texas's schedule. And the Big 12 is much more rounded than the SEC; some good teams that Texas has to play all twice. Comparisons to Missouri not apt at all.
Texas could get bushwhacked early by a B1G/PAC team on a role, like UCLA/Purdue/Illinois/ASU; but that's all seeding and placement, which will sort of answer the question of this thread anyway. I think Florida State has shown they can play through adversity and will need to be beaten.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 22, 2014 8:37:14 GMT -5
That makes no sense.
Texas is not an inexperienced team.
If you want to make the argument that Texas will be the 1st out, no problem. But comparing them to last year's Missouri team is ridiculous. The point wasn't even that they would be first out. The point was that they are vulnerable to be because their ridiculous schedule does so little to prepare them for the post=season, like Missouri last year. Ummm.. did you see Mizzou's non-conference schedule last year? It was a joke, the toughest team they played was Yale. Texas scheduled much tougher: 2 matches against Florida, but they also played Arizona, @nebraska, hell even UCF or New Mexico would be equivalent to one of Mizzou's toughest matches last year. In conference, the Big XII is a deeper and tougher overall than the SEC. Even with no top teams, Oklahoma, K-State, etc. are solid, and Baylor types are eons better than the Tennessee/South Carolina types in the bottom half of the SEC. Not an apt comparison.
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Post by volleytology on Oct 22, 2014 8:38:58 GMT -5
Texas has a LONG history of success in the NCAA tournament, Missouri had little or none. Apples and (burnt) Oranges. Definitely not a good comparison
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 22, 2014 8:39:49 GMT -5
Missouri had a miserable OOC last year. Texas has played, and beaten, Arizona, Nebraska and Florida, off the top of my head, and believe me, one of the last bits of info stuffed in there is Texas's schedule. And the Big 12 is much more rounded than the SEC; some good teams that Texas has to play all twice. Comparisons to Missouri not apt at all. Texas could get bushwhacked early by a B1G/PAC team on a role, like UCLA/Purdue/Illinois/ASU; but that's all seeding and placement, which will sort of answer the question of this thread anyway. I think Florida State has shown they can play through adversity and will need to be beaten. Texas' subregional is probably going to be TAMU, SMU, and an AQ. A&M could take them out, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Oct 22, 2014 8:48:48 GMT -5
And CSU/BYU are getting seeded anyway. They seeded Illinois with 14 losses last year (some of them worse than any USC's had this year) and they didn't even have the injuries to key rotation players that USC has had. And I don't think illinois should have been seeded anyway. A team with that much loses, regardless who they played, should not be seeded Well then you don't agree with the Committee, who thinks playing (and beating) good teams is important. I mean, have you really looked at BYU's resume? Their best win is Utah, and 2nd best win is @pacific. USC has both of those wins, and better ones on top of that. If they run the table through the rest of the WCC, they'll have a solid but not slam-dunk case. But I don't think you can discount the very different strengths of schedule. BYU knew the WCC wasn't going to be as strong at the top this year, and they made a big blunder by not scheduling better (and by losing to CSU).
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Post by sunsuphornsup on Oct 22, 2014 8:59:12 GMT -5
That makes no sense.
Texas is not an inexperienced team.
If you want to make the argument that Texas will be the 1st out, no problem. But comparing them to last year's Missouri team is ridiculous. The point wasn't even that they would be first out. The point was that they are vulnerable to be because their ridiculous schedule does so little to prepare them for the post-season, like Missouri last year. Texas is playing a 5 or 6 match season. I think you might want to do some research before posting.
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Post by vbnerd on Oct 22, 2014 9:09:40 GMT -5
Texas has a LONG history of success in the NCAA tournament, Missouri had little or none. Apples and (burnt) Oranges. Definitely not a good comparison Missouri had 2 vs Kentucky and 2 vs Florida that were both seeded teams - 4 high level matches. Last year's Texas team prepped hawaii, vs San Diego, Stanford, Penn State, Nebraska, and 2x vs Kansas who was the 14 seed. Texas this year has 2 vs Florida, one vs Nebraska... Arizona and K-State are both close, so I'm giving them 5 real matches but they are not Stanford, Hawaii, or Penn State. Is Texas Tech better than South Carolina or Ole Miss was? Absolutely so if that is a big difference to you fine. It isn't to me. If you are impressed with matches vs Seattle and UTEP and FAMU, great! I'm not. FWIW, this season Stanford has about 12 matches vs teams that may be seeded. Texas' schedule this year is more like Missouri last year. If you don't see it, I can't help you.
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Post by Longhorn20 on Oct 22, 2014 9:16:26 GMT -5
Texas has a LONG history of success in the NCAA tournament, Missouri had little or none. Apples and (burnt) Oranges. Definitely not a good comparison Missouri had 2 vs Kentucky and 2 vs Florida that were both seeded teams - 4 high level matches. Last year's Texas team prepped hawaii, vs San Diego, Stanford, Penn State, Nebraska, and 2x vs Kansas who was the 14 seed. Texas this year has 2 vs Florida, one vs Nebraska... Arizona and K-State are both close, so I'm giving them 5 real matches but they are not Stanford, Hawaii, or Penn State. Is Texas Tech better than South Carolina or Ole Miss was? Absolutely so if that is a big difference to you fine. It isn't to me. If you are impressed with matches vs Seattle and UTEP and FAMU, great! I'm not. FWIW, this season Stanford has about 12 matches vs teams that may be seeded. Texas' schedule this year is more like Missouri last year. If you don't see it, I can't help you. 1) Conference is more difficult in Big12. (Neither are really struggles for Texas/Florida though) 2) Florida this year>Florida last year 3) @florida, @nebraska, and against Arizona isn't even close to Missouri's OOC last year. I think since both played Florida you're comparing them, but Texas was Florida + Nebraska + Arizona + conference.
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Post by volleytology on Oct 22, 2014 9:22:48 GMT -5
Texas has a LONG history of success in the NCAA tournament, Missouri had little or none. Apples and (burnt) Oranges. Definitely not a good comparison Missouri had 2 vs Kentucky and 2 vs Florida that were both seeded teams - 4 high level matches. Last year's Texas team prepped hawaii, vs San Diego, Stanford, Penn State, Nebraska, and 2x vs Kansas who was the 14 seed. Texas this year has 2 vs Florida, one vs Nebraska... Arizona and K-State are both close, so I'm giving them 5 real matches but they are not Stanford, Hawaii, or Penn State. Is Texas Tech better than South Carolina or Ole Miss was? Absolutely so if that is a big difference to you fine. It isn't to me. If you are impressed with matches vs Seattle and UTEP and FAMU, great! I'm not. FWIW, this season Stanford has about 12 matches vs teams that may be seeded. Texas' schedule this year is more like Missouri last year. If you don't see it, I can't help you. I don't see it--you can't help me
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Post by tomclen on Oct 22, 2014 9:24:28 GMT -5
Jerry, who knew this would turn into a Texas '14 vs. Missouri '13 thread.
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Post by SportyBucky on Oct 22, 2014 9:34:56 GMT -5
The point wasn't even that they would be first out. The point was that they are vulnerable to be because their ridiculous schedule does so little to prepare them for the post-season, like Missouri last year. Texas is playing a 5 or 6 match season. I think you might want to do some research before posting. I do think the Big 12 does little to keep Texas in top form. They do not challenge their hitters with big blockers. They are not able to match up with Texas physically. They don't get Texas out of system. I think if Texas played in one of the two power conferences, they'd be better prepared and better tested. Doesn't mean they won't do well, possibly exceedingly well in the tournament. I think it means there's a greater chance they're tested by teams like WI given they face nothing like that in the season.
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Post by austintatious on Oct 22, 2014 10:06:19 GMT -5
I'd say Washington, except they are going to be at home which means Stanford get shipped east to cold weather and a 2 hour time change which could present some stress. Texas is the least tested team in the group. 5 contested matches in a season is not going to instill confidence - their resume is not much stronger than last year's Missouri club. There is no comparison between Texas and last year's Missouri team. Several of the Texas players have national championship experience. That doesn't mean they will make the Final 4, but they are nowhere close to Missouri which tanked in the playoffs last year.Truer words were never spoken. No comparison.
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Post by austintatious on Oct 22, 2014 10:27:50 GMT -5
There is no comparison between Texas and last year's Missouri team. Several of the Texas players have national championship experience. That doesn't mean they will make the Final 4, but they are nowhere close to Missouri which tanked in the playoffs last year. Really? Cause I'm pretty sure both teams based the credibility of their schedule on their pair of matches with Florida. Texas had a much tougher schedule than Mizzou last year if that is what you are referring too. Didn't Texas beat PSU last year? And Florida was no where near as good last year as they are this year. If you are referring to this year, there is no comparison between Texas and Mizzou.
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