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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 20:15:36 GMT -5
When you win the game it's because your players executed your game plan. When you lose it's because the coach failed to get the players to execute the game plan. Now is the time to put players into positions that can execute your game plan. With a packed arena, and the game on the line, certain players were able to execute and others failed. Oklahoma found the players that could not handle the pressure. The statistics do not mean anything, other than a win or a loss. Being an All-American, without a National Championship means you are not a leader, or a Champion.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 26, 2014 20:24:16 GMT -5
When you win the game it's because your players executed your game plan. When you lose it's because the coach failed to get the players to execute the game plan. Now is the time to put players into positions that can execute your game plan. With a packed arena, and the game on the line, certain players were able to execute and others failed. Oklahoma found the players that could not handle the pressure. The statistics do not mean anything, other than a win or a loss. Being an All-American, without a National Championship means you are not a leader, or a Champion. I don't know much, if anything, about the '15 players coming into the program next season. I hope one is good enough to excel as a freshman, but that is rare.
I'll have to disagree with the statement above that you can't be a leader without a national championship. That leaves out a lot of outstanding players each season. My hope for the program (football, basketball, baseball and volleyball, etc) is that you are good enough to compete for a national championship.
BTW, OU put out a tweet today to their faithful that it was okay today to watch the LHN since the sweep of the Longhorns was being televised! Good one Sooners! We'll get you in Norman soon.
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Post by vbprisoner on Oct 26, 2014 20:38:17 GMT -5
Being an All-American, without a National Championship means you are not a leader, or a Champion. You are way off with this thought process! There are some great players that are multiple year AA that are not fortunate enough to win a Championship that are still great leaders. Apply your thought process across all sports and you will come up with some of the best players in their sport that may not have had the necessary support players to win a NC, or other Championships. I guess Natalie Hagglund, Krista Vansant, Lauren Carlini are not good leaders yet? ? Or Andrew Luck, Dan Marino, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 20:41:36 GMT -5
Then ask any player, from any sport, "would you rather be elected All-American, or win a National Championship?"
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Post by southie on Oct 26, 2014 20:47:23 GMT -5
I forgot to add that while going undefeated in the regular season would have been great, I've kind of thought that the added pressure of an undefeated season could add a lot of extra pressure going into post-season. Some of the greatest teams could handle that, others could not. I don't think this team would. Seems like they need to face the chance to bounce back after a loss; you don't get that chance in the post season.
Granted, I'd rather the loss have been on the road and not in a sweep, but it is what it is.
As for replacing Eckerman and Bell, I don't really want to focus on that right now. But, from the video I saw of Bedart-Ghani, she was always hitting from the right side. At 6'3-4, she has the size you want for blocking. IMO, Micaya White is the heir apparent to Eckeman, and is supposed to have the skills to be a 6-rotation OH; however, that isn't a guarantee as a freshman.
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Post by vbprisoner on Oct 26, 2014 20:59:55 GMT -5
Then ask any player, from any sport, "would you rather be elected All-American, or win a National Championship?" Of course every great team player is going to trade being an AA for a National Championship, but there is only one National Champion each year in each sport!!!! By your reasoning all the other great players at other programs are not leaders.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 21:14:42 GMT -5
Yes, that is my reasoning. There is winning and losing. If you did not win, you lost.
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Post by vbprisoner on Oct 26, 2014 21:26:16 GMT -5
Yes, that is my reasoning. There is winning and losing. If you did not win, you lost. I agree with that on winning and losing, but not your leadership theory. We can leave it at that and move on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 22:03:11 GMT -5
So, by your reasoning, you can a great leader by taking your team to 2nd place. Let's be honest, Destinee Hooker may have been the greatest player in Texas history, and as a Texas fan, I wanted that team to win it all. She may have been a great player, but she did not lead the Longhorns to a National Championship. The standard at Texas is win the National Championship or be a failure. Last year, Texas failed. The previous year, Texas won it and gave McNeal and Webster and Eckerman the credit. No one gave anyone credit for making it to Final Four last year. The season was considered a failure.
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Post by Phaedrus on Oct 26, 2014 22:08:56 GMT -5
They are not close, but they are both professionals about it. But saying they don't care about each other is really reading way too much into it. Realize they are colleagues within the conference so they meet quite a bit and have to work with each other on behalf of the conference and Division I volleyball. I don't know - Elliott often hugs the other opposing coaches when they meet at mid court after intros!
My guess is Elliott doesn't care for the antics of OU's coach. I know many don't care for him. He seems passionate to me and I liked the way he handled his players during the match.
Define antics. He's been doing the same thing throughout his entire coaching career, it's not that he pulls it out specifically for UT. He was doing the same thing when he was coaching juniors.
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Post by Mocha on Oct 26, 2014 22:11:29 GMT -5
You ever met Santiago? He's one big guy to hug.
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Post by Longhorn20 on Oct 26, 2014 22:26:56 GMT -5
Watched the first two sets. Texas started out so well, but so many errors just killed any kind of rhythm they were trying to establish. I told myself they didn't deserve to win the match if their focus wasn't better in the subsequent sets. Not sure if Wednesday's record-setting home winning streak had some sort of effect as it seemed a milestone of sorts was reached, but not really anything significant as far as this season is concerned. I'm never happy about a loss, especially a sweep, against an unranked opponent, or to an arch-rival like OU and ending record home winning streak and knocking us from the unbeaten. But, it doesn't end the chance of a conference or national championship, so the season can still continue. If you go with a 5-1 with Collins setting and Dalton at OH2, what do you do if Collins struggles in the middle of a set? No other setter on the roster. How would even conduct practices with only one setter? If you go with a 5-1 with Collins setting, Dalton at RS and Bell at OH2, I guess that helps in some ways but hurts in others. Many of same concerns I listed above. The "lack of depth" at OH is a result of Baker not being 100%, and obviously, using the 6'2 offense where 4 instead of 3 pin hitters are needed. Getting Paulina late has helped the pin hitter depth, no doubt; otherwise, we'd have one less hitter. Amy not being healthy obviously hurts the depth, as she and Pilar have sort of bailed each other out all season long. What's the solution? I don't know. Hopefully, getting everyone healthy is a start. Looks to me that Elliott sitting Neal for her to be ready for post season indicates he plans to stick with what he has gone with all season.
He did switch to the 5-1 at the end of set 3, but not sure if that was related to the number of subs used up.
Don't know if we have a freshman in 2015 who can take the place of Eckerman or Bell. My guess is Prieto moves to OH next season. I don't think Baker is going to be a factor at Texas.I'm hoping White and Bedart-Ghani will fill a little bit of the void
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 26, 2014 22:34:30 GMT -5
I don't know - Elliott often hugs the other opposing coaches when they meet at mid court after intros!
My guess is Elliott doesn't care for the antics of OU's coach. I know many don't care for him. He seems passionate to me and I liked the way he handled his players during the match.
Define antics. He's been doing the same thing throughout his entire coaching career, it's not that he pulls it out specifically for UT. He was doing the same thing when he was coaching juniors. Didn't say he just does this for Texas. I realize it's his personality.
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Post by elevationvb on Oct 26, 2014 22:36:49 GMT -5
Yes, that is my reasoning. There is winning and losing. If you did not win, you lost. And you coach where and are your players failures?
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Post by vbprisoner on Oct 26, 2014 22:50:22 GMT -5
So, by your reasoning, you can a great leader by taking your team to 2nd place. Let's be honest, Destinee Hooker may have been the greatest player in Texas history, and as a Texas fan, I wanted that team to win it all. She may have been a great player, but she did not lead the Longhorns to a National Championship. The standard at Texas is win the National Championship or be a failure. Last year, Texas failed. The previous year, Texas won it and gave McNeal and Webster and Eckerman the credit. No one gave anyone credit for making it to Final Four last year. The season was considered a failure. OK, who do you think is a better leader (not college player)? Major Applewhite or Vince Young? Colt McCoy or Vince Young?
You made the perfect point with Destinee Hooker! She may have been the best player in the country when she was at Texas, but she may have not been a great leader.
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