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Post by n00b on Nov 30, 2014 12:40:46 GMT -5
Pablo and Massey have Purdue in top 30. AVCA has them in top 20. Only tool that has them out is RPI. Will committee look at anything but RPI? Michigan State and Minnesota are similar to Purdue. Can't believe Big Ten gets only five teams in. The committee has strict criteria that they are permitted to use. RPI is one of them. Pablo/Massey/AVCA are not.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 30, 2014 12:40:52 GMT -5
Pablo and Massey have Purdue in top 30. AVCA has them in top 20. Only tool that has them out is RPI. Will committee look at anything but RPI? Michigan State and Minnesota are similar to Purdue. Can't believe Big Ten gets only five teams in. Purdue was competitive enough in scoring points to 'earn' a high Pablo/Massey rating, but when it comes to wins and losses, Purdue didn't convert, Purdue simply just doesn't deserve to be in because they didn't win their way in.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2014 12:40:58 GMT -5
You have Kansas State listed twice at Arizona and at Nebraska Fixed, Oregon St was missing.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 30, 2014 12:41:58 GMT -5
Pablo and Massey have Purdue in top 30. AVCA has them in top 20. Only tool that has them out is RPI. Will committee look at anything but RPI? Michigan State and Minnesota are similar to Purdue. Can't believe Big Ten gets only five teams in. The committee has strict criteria that they are permitted to use. RPI is one of them. Pablo/Massey/AVCA are not. the committee is not prevented from using other ratings. but true they must use RPI
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Post by azvb on Nov 30, 2014 12:46:16 GMT -5
What does the (T) mean?
I would drive to Tucson if BYU is there. Oh crap-Church Christmas party on Saturday.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2014 12:47:50 GMT -5
The committee is going to be tested. There are a large amount of teams on the bubble, a lot of decent resumes to choose from.
We will see what is most important to the committee. this year will definitely help us see how they decided between this group (SMU, CSUN, SCU, Seton Hall, San Diego, Pacific, Virginia Tech, Ohio, etc)
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2014 12:48:05 GMT -5
What does the (T) mean? I would drive to Tucson if BYU is there. Oh crap -Church Christmas party on Saturday. Team is not within NCAA-400 miles to take the bus. Have to fly
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 30, 2014 12:53:01 GMT -5
I think UOP is going to be a litmus test about how significantly they are relying on (or restricting input to) RPI
same for seeding and UCLA/BYU
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2014 12:58:28 GMT -5
I think UOP is going to be a litmus test about how significantly they are relying on (or restricting input to) RPI same for seeding and UCLA/BYU I want Pacific in, but i think VTech is over them because they both have 2 top 25 wins. Virginia Tech has the best bubble win(besides UTAH) and they have the best S.O.S. Those things make me think their losses will be ignored and their 8-2 finish will squeeze in. Miami slipped though the cracks into the NCAA last minute last year. I'd rather be wrong and have Pacific get in. I do not want to see Ohio or SMU get in over Pacific. Pacific looks better than CSUN by resume too. I really can't see Pacific getting a bad over Seton Hall, though.
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2014 12:59:02 GMT -5
I think UOP is going to be a litmus test about how significantly they are relying on (or restricting input to) RPI same for seeding and UCLA/BYU BYU has a lack of good wins. I thought about it, but their best win is LMU.
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Post by tibetboy on Nov 30, 2014 13:22:47 GMT -5
Ccmanlb or Trojansc, since it was brought up, why do you think Miami got in last year over several teams with better RPI's and more significant wins/less bad losses? This may give an insight into what the committee may do this year.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 13:32:59 GMT -5
I see Michigan State and Purdue are in. Big Ten has earned that level of respect over the past several years. I believe they learned a lot from last year's SEC debacle.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 13:38:18 GMT -5
I think UOP is going to be a litmus test about how significantly they are relying on (or restricting input to) RPI same for seeding and UCLA/BYU I want Pacific in, but i think VTech is over them because they both have 2 top 25 wins. Virginia Tech has the best bubble win(besides UTAH) and they have the best S.O.S. Those things make me think their losses will be ignored and their 8-2 finish will squeeze in. Miami slipped though the cracks into the NCAA last minute last year. I'd rather be wrong and have Pacific get in. I do not want to see Ohio or SMU get in over Pacific. Pacific looks better than CSUN by resume too. I really can't see Pacific getting a bad over Seton Hall, though. Thanks for all the wonderful work and thoughtful analyses, trojansc. No one knows what the Committee will do with all of these bubble teams, especially since we do not have the final RPI they will be using. For example, if we use RichKern's 11/29 RKPI, which is almost always nearly--nearly--dead on, Virginia Tech gets two more top 50 wins (both over Pittsburg, RKPI of 50), but also two more bad losses (both to Clemson, RKPI of 109), making a total of 5 bad losses (more than any other bubble team) and almost a 6th, to Louisville, #95. I also have a hard swallow about Ohio, SMU and even Lipscomb getting in. Eight hours to go! Edit: Forgetting the official criteria, how likely is Pac12 getting 10, WCC 5 and Big10 5?
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Post by trojansc on Nov 30, 2014 13:54:38 GMT -5
I want Pacific in, but i think VTech is over them because they both have 2 top 25 wins. Virginia Tech has the best bubble win(besides UTAH) and they have the best S.O.S. Those things make me think their losses will be ignored and their 8-2 finish will squeeze in. Miami slipped though the cracks into the NCAA last minute last year. I'd rather be wrong and have Pacific get in. I do not want to see Ohio or SMU get in over Pacific. Pacific looks better than CSUN by resume too. I really can't see Pacific getting a bad over Seton Hall, though. Thanks for all the wonderful work and thoughtful analyses, trojansc. No one knows what the Committee will do with all of these bubble teams, especially since we do not have the final RPI they will be using. For example, if we use RichKern's 11/29 RKPI, which is almost always nearly--nearly--dead on, Virginia Tech gets two more top 50 wins (both over Pittsburg, RKPI of 50), but also two more bad losses (both to Clemson, RKPI of 109), making a total of 5 bad losses (more than any other bubble team) and almost a 6th, to Louisville, #95. I also have a hard swallow about Ohio, SMU and even Lipscomb getting in. Eight hours to go! Edit: Forgetting the official criteria, how likely is Pac12 getting 10, WCC 5 and Big10 5? In the NCAA manual, it says that there is a plus and bonus RPI system with bonuses for top 25 wins and penalties for 167+ RPI losses, but not 100+ losses. The committee also deems "Significant" losses as, 167+ losses. I can't help but think that losing 100-167 games are significant, though. My thinking for Tech is they don't have any losses 167+(but its really close) but TWO top-25 bonuses wins other teams don't have, to build their RPI. (ohio, csun, pacific have no top 25 wins. ) and the toughest schedule of bubble teams. It's really close. We'll see how important 100+ and 167+ matters. I include 100+ losses in the bubble credentials, but the committee wording is 167+
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Post by kwyjibo13 on Nov 30, 2014 14:31:41 GMT -5
What does the (T) mean? I would drive to Tucson if BYU is there. Oh crap -Church Christmas party on Saturday. Team is not within NCAA-400 miles to take the bus. Have to fly They do not HAVE to fly. Last season, my baseball team made the NCAA Tournament at a place more than the 400 miles. However, the time it would take to drive to an airport two hours, the wait, the connecting flight, etc... it would be as fast if not faster to drive. I believe it is up to the team.
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