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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 5, 2014 12:03:42 GMT -5
I'll ask you this, could you reallistically win a national championship at Notre Dame?
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Post by Not Me on Dec 5, 2014 12:16:49 GMT -5
I'll ask you this, could you reallistically win a national championship at Notre Dame? I don't know if they could win a NC there, but couldn't they achieve the success of say a Florida? I think that's doable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 12:19:58 GMT -5
I'm not questioning your choice(s). I really want to see a list of your top ten. Here is mine:
Texas USC Stanford Penn State Florida Nebraska Washington UCLA Illinois Wisconsin HM: Hawaii, Minnesota, Ohio State, Colorado, Purdue, Notre Dame, Cal, Arizona, Texas A&M, Michigan, North Carolina, Duke
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Post by Babar on Dec 5, 2014 12:27:00 GMT -5
Notre Dame has never been an elite program. I'm not sure division 1 coaches would agree with you. Ten years ago, Notre Dame went head to head with Stanford, Nebraska, Illinois, Penn State in the recrutiing battles and won more than their share of top ten recruits. While they did not advance to Final Four, it is definitely one of the top ten jobs in the country, and could return to form very quickly with the right coach.
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Post by kubricks on Dec 5, 2014 12:31:44 GMT -5
Huskie Fanatic:
I like your list, except for USC.....who in their right mind would want to fight the traffic and crime around USC....almost the same with UCLA plus both of those schools do not get ENOUGH FANS. Would replace USC and UCLA with Oregon and Hawaii
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 5, 2014 12:33:24 GMT -5
Notre Dame has never been an elite program. I'm not sure division 1 coaches would agree with you. Ten years ago, Notre Dame went head to head with Stanford, Nebraska, Illinois, Penn State in the recrutiing battles and won more than their share of top ten recruits. While they did not advance to Final Four, it is definitely one of the top ten jobs in the country, and could return to form very quickly with the right coach. Notre Dame's position in the college athletics landscape has changed significantly from what it was ten years ago. It's possible that they could become a premiere program with significant investment, but certainly not a given.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2014 12:33:55 GMT -5
Notre Dame was pretty damned good in the early to mid-90s. And they were always competitive, until recently.
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Post by Phaedrus on Dec 5, 2014 12:40:31 GMT -5
Since Swarbrick is a die hard Indiana guy, he would do well in tapping into the Ball State/Muncie coaching tree. While there are obviously very strong coaches with Indiana ties, Notre Dame isnt an Indiana or even regional program, and that is one of its great appeals, and why it is a great job. You could sign a top player out of LA, Texas, Florida, on top of being smack dab in the middle of all the talent in Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, Michigan etc....... If they pay (no reason to believe they wont) this is a top ten job. Look at the examples vbnerd brought up. ND didn't break the bank and got some great young coaches. I would be intrigued to see if lightning could strike twice with regard to the in state candidates even though I agree that this is a national level job.
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Post by doubleplay on Dec 5, 2014 12:49:43 GMT -5
I have to think that it's no coincidence that Notre Dame getting worse has happened at the same time the B1G has created its own television network and drawn nearly even with the Pac-10 in terms of volleyball talent. If you're a highly-rated high school player from the Midwest, where would you rather go - a B1G school where you can play against great competition and be on TV all throughout the Midwest, or Notre Dame, which plays in the mediocre ACC? Staying out of the B1G might be good for Notre Dame football, but it definitely doesn't benefit many of their other sports. Mediocre ACC? ? Lol. All the teams came from B1G like Louisville and Notre Dame were/are mediocre compared to top ACC teams like UNC, FSU and Duke. Also ACC teams has a winning record against B1G teams this year. You have no idea how strong and competitive ACC volleyball is. Conference third Duke lost to Stanford 3-1 in a very competitive match this year and FSU beat FL who beat no:2 seed Texas.
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Post by kubricks on Dec 5, 2014 13:02:51 GMT -5
How many National Championship for the ACC in volleyball? ZERO, like in NONE, like in NADA, like in NO WAY HOW many FINAL FOUR teams from the ACC : One Florida State
That means the ACC IS MEDIOCRE in volleyball. Might that change, anything is possible. Would be surprised if any of the ACC teams get to the Final 8.
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Post by baywatcher on Dec 5, 2014 13:10:24 GMT -5
I guess discussing "mediocre" ACC is on topic; picking top ten positions is not and an early New Years resolution is to respect the main idea of each thread. The ACC has some top teams, but a lot, since the conference is so big, that are average, or mediocre, if you're a West Coast whiner. And playing each other once a year leaves outsiders uncertain which is which. Wake, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, the Virginias (I know they were good this year, but some questionable losses in there) Clemson, even Miami, whom I don't think should have been in the tournament, Notre Dame; overall not excellent programs.
As for Notre Dame, I saw them play at Santa Clara a number of years back and was very impressed with how well they were coached. It looks like the coach couldn't or wouldn't get in top recruits. If my daughter was interested I would be concerned about the travel, it's the ATLANTIC COAST Conference, and South Bend don't overlook no salt water body, that's for sure. That's a lot of travel to college towns I suspect are not one hop stops.
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Post by volleytology on Dec 5, 2014 13:28:59 GMT -5
This is going to be a fascinating hiring process; they could go in so many different directions. People have discussed the potential for the Notre Dame program since the Art Lambert days. Debbie had some great teams, especially from '95-'05 but just couldn't over the Final Four hump, mainly because they were always in a crappy conference due to their football team's independent status. The ACC changes everything for this job. The idiots that badmouth the ACC, don't understand the rapidly changing financial landscape of big time power conferences and how that is filtering down to the women's teams. The ACC will continue to improve as an elite conference, as will the SEC
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Post by vbgans on Dec 5, 2014 13:32:44 GMT -5
Please go look at the success of ALL of Notre Dame's sports outside of FOOTBALL over the last ten years. You will find over the last 10 years NCAA appearances, FF finishes and championships, and the most success ND sports have had in every sport outside of FB and MBB. If you want to add football they just went to the championship game in 2012. So the statement of Notre Dame's position in the college landscape not being the same over the last ten years can only really be argued with football, and what this thread is about, volleyball. Can ND volleyball be a regular NCAA participant in volleyball again? Yes. Can they be elite? Maybe. BUT as far as Notre Dame athletics as a whole and their relevance that is a misinformed view most likely because of football.
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Post by southie on Dec 5, 2014 13:38:43 GMT -5
Notre Dame has never been an elite program. But it should be I don't know that they "should" be, but they "could" be. Notre Dame has been a powerhouse in women's basketball and women's soccer for several years. That tells me they have put in the commitment and resources that resulted in winning national championships in those sports. Why volleyball hasn't had that same success/reputation has to be due to the coaching/recruiting, IMO. Notre Dame gets huge TV money for its football program, and their recent tie-ins with the ACC probably netted them more money than they were getting from the Big East. So, they should be able to afford to pay the new head volleyball coach whatever the market demands. If you want a Top 10 program, than you need to pay a Top 10 salary. That's no guarantee, but that's how you land a marquee coach. Or, can try and hire and up-and-comer and reward them based on the success they have at your school over the years. Regionally, I wonder if Kentucky's head coach would be a good fit at ND. Hard to argue with the turnaround in Lexington.
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Post by vbgans on Dec 5, 2014 13:41:40 GMT -5
The ACC is a great power conference. Volleyball is one of maybe 2 sports the ACC sponsors that is not at or near the top, compared to the other power conferences.
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