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Post by elevationvb on Dec 21, 2014 0:50:50 GMT -5
The problem for BYU is their position on not playing on Sundays. A major issue for baseball, softball & basketball.
Colorado State will never happen because they are not a large tv market.
If the Big 12 cannot poach 2 big names from the ACC, I think it would be UCF and Cincinnati. Big 12 would look ‘East not West’ if league decides to expand Colorado is a bigger TV market than Oklahoma by 2M.
BYU is a national market.
OU football / sports are considered part of the Dallas market and of course CSU isn't OU when it comes to sports.
Sundays is the problem for BYU.
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Post by vbprisoner on Dec 21, 2014 0:54:36 GMT -5
Yeah, I started that rumor / option in another thread. That and $5 will get me a latte at Starbucks! It would be the perfect match of schools, and probably they could do some creative scheduling to accommodate BYU to eliminate Sunday competitions for sports. Would also bring another Network into the conference with BYU, and increase the viewing base with Colorado, and nationally with BYU. They actually talked about it on espn a day or two ago, may have been Mike and Mike can't remember. I thought of your thread at the time. Funny, wonder if Texas really wants more vb competition. You would hope so. You and I, and every other Texas fan knows the expansion of the conference will be football driven. If secondary sports like volleyball benefit then that is just a plus. I think it would help the conference greatly for vball to have BYU and CSU. I think Kansas, Oklahoma will take another step up, and the way things are being said about TCU.....if they throw money at right coach they will become another factor and then we may start to throw stones back at the B1G and PAC in a couple years
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Post by southie on Dec 21, 2014 0:59:09 GMT -5
The problem for BYU is their position on not playing on Sundays. A major issue for baseball, softball & basketball.
Colorado State will never happen because they are not a large tv market.
If the Big 12 cannot poach 2 big names from the ACC, I think it would be UCF and Cincinnati. Big 12 would look ‘East not West’ if league decides to expand You do realize that all the ACC members signed a Granting of Rights, correct? Big XII isn't poaching anyone from ACC, PAC, or B1G. SEC is only major conference with no GOR. So, unless Arkansas and LSU or Kentucky and Vanderbilt want to leave the SEC, we're not getting anyone from there either.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 21, 2014 1:01:31 GMT -5
Yeah, I started that rumor / option in another thread. That and $5 will get me a latte at Starbucks! It would be the perfect match of schools, and probably they could do some creative scheduling to accommodate BYU to eliminate Sunday competitions for sports. Would also bring another Network into the conference with BYU, and increase the viewing base with Colorado, and nationally with BYU. They actually talked about it on espn a day or two ago, may have been Mike and Mike can't remember. I thought of your thread at the time. Funny, wonder if Texas really wants more vb competition. You would hope so. Volleyball will not be part of the discussion for expansion. It's football followed by football and football and then basketball and baseball.
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Post by vbprisoner on Dec 21, 2014 1:08:38 GMT -5
The problem for BYU is their position on not playing on Sundays. A major issue for baseball, softball & basketball.
Colorado State will never happen because they are not a large tv market.
If the Big 12 cannot poach 2 big names from the ACC, I think it would be UCF and Cincinnati. Big 12 would look ‘East not West’ if league decides to expand You do realize that all the ACC members signed a Granting of Rights, correct? Big XII isn't poaching anyone from ACC, PAC, or B1G. SEC is only major conference with no GOR. So, unless Arkansas and LSU or Kentucky and Vanderbilt want to leave the SEC, we're not getting anyone from there either. Like you said we are not getting anyone from SEC.......Kentucky and Vanderbilt would do nothing for football (Kentucky would be huge for Basketball, and Vandy would be good for GPA), Arkansas is not coming back and LSU has too much a storied history in SEC.
BYU and CSU are best fits and then after that UCF, USF, Cincy, but it just goes downhill after BYU & CSU.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 21, 2014 1:09:26 GMT -5
The problem for BYU is their position on not playing on Sundays. A major issue for baseball, softball & basketball.
Colorado State will never happen because they are not a large tv market.
If the Big 12 cannot poach 2 big names from the ACC, I think it would be UCF and Cincinnati. Big 12 would look ‘East not West’ if league decides to expand You do realize that all the ACC members signed a Granting of Rights, correct? Big XII isn't poaching anyone from ACC, PAC, or B1G. SEC is only major conference with no GOR. So, unless Arkansas and LSU or Kentucky and Vanderbilt want to leave the SEC, we're not getting anyone from there either. Forgot about that happening last year. So I guess that leaves UCF, Cincinnati, Memphis and maybe South Florida? I don't think Texas will ever give the okay for Houston or SMU.
The Big 12 (DeLoss Dodds) screwed up not saying yes to Louisville. Arrogance on the part of Texas and OU.
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Post by vbprisoner on Dec 21, 2014 1:14:14 GMT -5
They actually talked about it on espn a day or two ago, may have been Mike and Mike can't remember. I thought of your thread at the time. Funny, wonder if Texas really wants more vb competition. You would hope so. Volleyball will not be part of the discussion for expansion. It's football followed by football and football and then basketball and baseball.Everyone knows it is about footbali 1-3 then basketball 4th, baseball has absolutely no relevance whatsoever. And don't don't try to argue for baseball elevation because you are a Texas baseball fan. Yes Texas is good in baseball but it is a non-revenue sport at every Big XII school and just like volleyball if baseball benefited by expansion that would be just a plus.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 21, 2014 1:22:57 GMT -5
You do realize that all the ACC members signed a Granting of Rights, correct? Big XII isn't poaching anyone from ACC, PAC, or B1G. SEC is only major conference with no GOR. So, unless Arkansas and LSU or Kentucky and Vanderbilt want to leave the SEC, we're not getting anyone from there either. Like you said we are not getting anyone from SEC.......Kentucky and Vanderbilt would do nothing for football (Kentucky would be huge for Basketball, and Vandy would be good for GPA), Arkansas is not coming back and LSU has too much a storied history in SEC.
BYU and CSU are best fits and then after that UCF, USF, Cincy, but it just goes downhill after BYU & CSU.
Cincinnati has a good football and basketball history plus they are a natural travel partner for West Virginia as alluded to by the Big 12 Commissioner. UCF is getting stronger in football and the tv market is perfect.
But a big problem now as it was when Louisville wasn't invited is that the remaining schools like dividing the money by 10 instead of 12. If the NCAA denies the conference request to allow a championship game for the 10 member league, I think expansion will happen quickly.
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Post by zenyada on Dec 21, 2014 5:01:20 GMT -5
Yes football will drive the expansion decisions, and betting Olmstead and sis are hoping Big VII won't happen because it would hurt his west coast recruiting pipe.
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Post by hebrooks87 on Dec 21, 2014 8:03:18 GMT -5
Volleyball will not be part of the discussion for expansion. It's football followed by football and football and then basketball and baseball. Everyone knows it is about footbali 1-3 then basketball 4th, baseball has absolutely no relevance whatsoever. And don't don't try to argue for baseball elevation because you are a Texas baseball fan. Yes Texas is good in baseball but it is a non-revenue sport at every Big XII school and just like volleyball if baseball benefited by expansion that would be just a plus. I think basketball's too high on that list. Write football on the board 100 times, then write "sports that use round balls." The revenue for the conference is essentially all football. The revenue for the NCAA is men's basketball.
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Post by austintatious on Dec 21, 2014 9:54:23 GMT -5
They actually talked about it on espn a day or two ago, may have been Mike and Mike can't remember. I thought of your thread at the time. Funny, wonder if Texas really wants more vb competition. You would hope so. Volleyball will not be part of the discussion for expansion. It's football followed by football and football and then basketball and baseball.We all know that, just wishful thinking.
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Post by bluepenquin on Dec 21, 2014 10:01:16 GMT -5
Like you said we are not getting anyone from SEC.......Kentucky and Vanderbilt would do nothing for football (Kentucky would be huge for Basketball, and Vandy would be good for GPA), Arkansas is not coming back and LSU has too much a storied history in SEC.
BYU and CSU are best fits and then after that UCF, USF, Cincy, but it just goes downhill after BYU & CSU.
Cincinnati has a good football and basketball history plus they are a natural travel partner for West Virginia as alluded to by the Big 12 Commissioner. UCF is getting stronger in football and the tv market is perfect.
But a big problem now as it was when Louisville wasn't invited is that the remaining schools like dividing by money by 10 instead of 12. If the NCAA denies the conference request to allow a championship game for the 10 member league, I think expansion will happen quickly.It is my understanding and guess that the NCAA will allow a championship game if applied for. I also believe you are absolutely correct on why there are only 10 teams in the Big 12 - they are dividing up revenue among 10 teams instead of 12. Each Big 12 school gets as much or more TV revenue than any other school from another conference and adding 2 more schools will result in a pay cut for each school.
If they cannot get the exemption for a Football Championship (which I think they will get), then we may see expansion. I cannot see Colorado State - Boise State would be higher on the list. BYU might have some interest, but also would create some problems. As Elevationvb has stated - the Big 12 will likely go East not West if expanding. I would think UCF would be a lock. Not sure of the 2nd team.
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Post by austintatious on Dec 21, 2014 10:01:31 GMT -5
USF would be a natural travel partner for USF, but is in turmoil athletically. Strange, they have a dynamic president who seems to support the program, but they can't get the right AD, coaches and players. The athletic department is the least professional of any DI program I have dealt with and this is through several different ADs. They do not deserve to be rewarded by going to the Big XII.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 21, 2014 11:18:49 GMT -5
Cincinnati has a good football and basketball history plus they are a natural travel partner for West Virginia as alluded to by the Big 12 Commissioner. UCF is getting stronger in football and the tv market is perfect.
But a big problem now as it was when Louisville wasn't invited is that the remaining schools like dividing the money by 10 instead of 12. If the NCAA denies the conference request to allow a championship game for the 10 member league, I think expansion will happen quickly. It is my understanding and guess that the NCAA will allow a championship game if applied for. I also believe you are absolutely correct on why there are only 10 teams in the Big 12 - they are dividing up revenue among 10 teams instead of 12. Each Big 12 school gets as much or more TV revenue than any other school from another conference and adding 2 more schools will result in a pay cut for each school.
If they cannot get the exemption for a Football Championship (which I think they will get), then we may see expansion. I cannot see Colorado State - Boise State would be higher on the list. BYU might have some interest, but also would create some problems. As Elevationvb has stated - the Big 12 will likely go East not West if expanding. I would think UCF would be a lock. Not sure of the 2nd team.
What I've read is that the NCAA will turn down the request for a championship game. I hope that happens because it doesn't make sense to me to have a round robin format where you add a championship game after everyone has played each other. Going to look foolish if the championship game is between the same 2 teams that ended the regular season against each other.
Everything is a mess because a round robin schedule is the best for all the sports. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Post by James on Dec 22, 2014 1:08:43 GMT -5
With the new rules giving the Power 5 conferences leeway to make the own rules a championship game could happen with just 10 teams if that's what they want, But elevationvb is right. It makes no sense with the round robin.
BYU and CSU would be nice fits, but they really need to go east to and give WV some company. UCF might be tempting, but they are so far away from the primary Big 12 footprint and from WV that it just doesn't make enough sense. Keeping in mind football will drive this, I think if they have to expand Cincy and ECU might be the best choices. Both have big football fan bases, spend money on athletics, have really nice stadiums, long football history, and are fairly successful for non-power 5 teams. Most importantly they would be good geographical fits with WV who is currently out there all by themselves.
Never going to happen, but I didn't think they'd do something crazy like add WV either!
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