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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 22, 2014 14:30:32 GMT -5
My understanding was that Louisville turned down the Big XII (not the other way around), because they were waiting for the offer to join the ACC, which they saw as the much better conference. I'm fairly positive that wasn't the case. The first time Louisville was turned down by the Big 12 was when West Virginia was selected over them to make it 10 schools. Louisville's AD was on record as wanting to be the 10th member. Huge mistake in my opinion.
The second time was when the Big 12 refused to expand to 12 schools. After that Louisville accepted the ACC's invitation.U can't deny, there's also a reason schools left. It was for more money
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 22, 2014 14:41:00 GMT -5
If we're real it can be said that nobody outside Texas or Oklahoma makes any money so why would teams wanna come to big 12. Just a question.
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 22, 2014 14:49:35 GMT -5
Why would anybody join the Big 12, as long as Texas is going to continue keeping all the money from LHN? Because it gets them ("them" being BYU, CSU, Cincinnati, etc.) a table in a Power Five conference and all that football-generated money (playoffs, bowl tie ins, TV revenue). Sure, Texas has the LHN, and the Big 12 is the least of the Power Five in terms of revenue, but it's still a damn sight better than being left out in the cold playing in the MWC, C-USA, or American Conference.
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 22, 2014 15:04:31 GMT -5
Well, I guess we'll see. If the folks who say the Big 12 is still attractive to top programs are right, I guess we'll see some schools joining up. And if the rest of us are right, I guess we'll see the conference continue to look like Texas and the seven dwarfs.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 15:09:32 GMT -5
That would make them the Big 14 ... and two more schools for Beevo to push around.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 16:24:00 GMT -5
If we're real it can be said that nobody outside Texas or Oklahoma makes any money so why would teams wanna come to big 12. Just a question. I think you are confused on this entire subject. Nobody ever said schools are not making money. The Big 12 schools just received their biggest payout ever.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 16:30:57 GMT -5
Well, I guess we'll see. If the folks who say the Big 12 is still attractive to top programs are right, I guess we'll see some schools joining up. And if the rest of us are right, I guess we'll see the conference continue to look like Texas and the seven dwarfs. You keep changing the subject. Your 7 dwarfs are receiving a ton of money. Now whether it's enough to keep up with escalating costs of maintaining an athletic department is another thing. But I can say with confidence, Texas Tech, Baylor, Oklahoma State, TCU, Kansas State, Kansas, Iowa State and West Virginia do not want Texas and OU to leave the Big 12.
Ask former Southwest Conference members SMU & Houston whether they would like to be a dwarf in the Big 12.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 22, 2014 16:51:59 GMT -5
If we're real it can be said that nobody outside Texas or Oklahoma makes any money so why would teams wanna come to big 12. Just a question. I think you are confused on this entire subject. Nobody ever said schools are not making money. The Big 12 schools just received their biggest payout ever.
Compared to what though?
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 22, 2014 16:53:39 GMT -5
I know the BIG pays out most. Think like 19 mill a school next closest is sec but believe there like at 9 or something like that. That's why I said, biggest payout compared to what ?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 22, 2014 17:00:18 GMT -5
If looking to expand the league will have zero concern as to how it impacts volleyball.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 17:05:22 GMT -5
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Post by fosho on Dec 22, 2014 19:59:06 GMT -5
B12 expansion will be based soley on football and men's basketball. The other sports are primarily money losers and draw limited viewers on t.v. and in the seats. The commissioner may say otherwise but its just "political correctness" mumbo jumbo.
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Post by fosho on Dec 22, 2014 20:00:00 GMT -5
solely
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Dec 22, 2014 20:43:03 GMT -5
BYU isn't going anywhere unless the conference agrees to BYU position of not playing on Sundays. In the meantime, BYU gets to keep competing in the WCC ...a big step-down from when they played in the MWC and WAC. For example, now the men's basketball team plays againts small programs with very little national exposure other than Gonzaga. Playing in high school gyms against San Fran, Portland, LMU. Weak. Independent football ...not a success. They must have a perfect season otherwise they're gonna play in the "whatever" I don't care bowl game. They have a losing record against teams with a winning record since going independent. The WCC is a good fit for BYU hoops. Good conference RPI (better than the Mountain West, actually), good strength of schedule, usually good for three-four NCAA tournament slots, and has them playing in their primary recruiting territory (CA, OR, WA along with the homegrown UT kids). Fits their profile better than the MWC, Big West, or WAC (which is arguably the worst conference in America). All that applies equally well to volleyball. Of course, everything is driven by football. Financially, BYU football has been fine as an independent (made around $22 million last year, which is in the same general ballpark as many of the Power Five schools). But BYU is also virtually shut out of the national championship playoff picture - not to mention all that cold, hard, cash - which is obviously why they're gung ho for a Big 12 move. The Sunday thing is an issue...but it doesn't seem to be that difficult a workaround. Of course, I'm not a Big 12 scheduler, so perhaps it's a bigger deal than it seems to me.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 22:36:03 GMT -5
BYU isn't going anywhere unless the conference agrees to BYU position of not playing on Sundays. In the meantime, BYU gets to keep competing in the WCC ...a big step-down from when they played in the MWC and WAC. For example, now the men's basketball team plays againts small programs with very little national exposure other than Gonzaga. Playing in high school gyms against San Fran, Portland, LMU. Weak. Independent football ...not a success. They must have a perfect season otherwise they're gonna play in the "whatever" I don't care bowl game. They have a losing record against teams with a winning record since going independent. The WCC is a good fit for BYU hoops. Good conference RPI (better than the Mountain West, actually), good strength of schedule, usually good for three-four NCAA tournament slots, and has them playing in their primary recruiting territory (CA, OR, WA along with the homegrown UT kids). Fits their profile better than the MWC, Big West, or WAC (which is arguably the worst conference in America). All that applies equally well to volleyball. Of course, everything is driven by football. Financially, BYU football has been fine as an independent (made around $22 million last year, which is in the same general ballpark as many of the Power Five schools). But BYU is also virtually shut out of the national championship playoff picture - not to mention all that cold, hard, cash - which is obviously why they're gung ho for a Big 12 move. The Sunday thing is an issue...but it doesn't seem to be that difficult a workaround. Of course, I'm not a Big 12 scheduler, so perhaps it's a bigger deal than it seems to me. BYU's Sunday prohibition is a major no go for the Big 12 - - softball and baseball. Weekend series are routine in the Big 12. I presume for most conferences.
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