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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 22, 2014 1:27:59 GMT -5
Why would anybody join the Big 12, as long as Texas is going to continue keeping all the money from LHN?
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 2:42:50 GMT -5
Why would anybody join the Big 12, as long as Texas is going to continue keeping all the money from LHN? I don't think you understand the LHN. The LHN is Texas' 3rd tier rights. The Big 12 schools negotiate their own Tier 3 packages - radio, tv, etc. OU has their own third tier rights distributed over several Fox Sports platforms. Like Texas' deal with ESPN, OU's contract with Fox Sports falls under the Big 12 Conference's Tier 3 rights which means the schools keep all the money paid by ESPN, Fox Sports, etc instead of sharing the revenue with other schools in the conference.
When former AD Deloss Dodds began the process of expanding Texas's 3rd tier rights, he never thought of something like the LHN. His goal was something like what OU has and he offered to share it with A&M - probably to share the costs. ESPN approached Texas with the concept of the LHN.
So any of the other schools are welcome to negotiate their own channel if they can find a provider that thinks they merit it.
BTW, last year, the Big 12 teams received the biggest payouts in the history of the league - a primary reason they have fought expansion to 12 teams. Also, the money Texas receives from ESPN is nice but isn't that great compared to the publicity for all the school programs and the yearly payout that goes to the academic side of the University.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 22, 2014 2:55:37 GMT -5
Why would anybody join the Big 12, as long as Texas is going to continue keeping all the money from LHN? I was thinking same thing. That's why schools wanted out cause Texas was getting majority share in conference, where in most other conferences money split even between schools. I think it's the Big or sec move. The first one that goes to 16 teams is gonna cause a flurry of moves around college sports. Where u will have 5 superconferences and they will have a league and everyone else will be in different league. There will be no more independents. Nd will have to join conference in fb which location wise would be Big. I think that's future of college sports
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Post by mikegarrison on Dec 22, 2014 3:31:36 GMT -5
Why would anybody join the Big 12, as long as Texas is going to continue keeping all the money from LHN? I don't think you understand the LHN. The LHN is Texas' 3rd tier rights. The Big 12 schools negotiate their own Tier 3 packages - radio, tv, etc. OU has their own third tier rights distributed over several Fox Sports platforms. Like Texas' deal with ESPN, OU's contract with Fox Sports falls under the Big 12 Conference's Tier 3 rights which means the schools keep all the money paid by ESPN, Fox Sports, etc instead of sharing the revenue with other schools in the conference.
When former AD Deloss Dodds began the process of expanding Texas's 3rd tier rights, he never thought of something like the LHN. His goal was something like what OU has and he offered to share it with A&M - probably to share the costs. ESPN approached Texas with the concept of the LHN.
So any of the other schools are welcome to negotiate their own channel if they can find a provider that thinks they merit it.
BTW, last year, the Big 12 teams received the biggest payouts in the history of the league - a primary reason they have fought expansion to 12 teams. Also, the money Texas receives from ESPN is nice but isn't that great compared to the publicity for all the school programs and the yearly payout that goes to the academic side of the University.That sounds good until you confront the facts that Texas refused to give up the LHN in order to join the Big 10, and they refused to give up the LHN in order to join the PAC-12. So obviously these measly little "third-tier rights" add up to a lot of money that Texas isn't sharing with the rest of the conference. Which brings us back to wondering why anybody would want to join the Big 12. Because surely Texas will have the money and size to dominate the conference, so why would anybody who had other options available want to sign up to be Texas's footstool? espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6809451/larry-scott-longhorn-network-keep-texas-joining-pac-12
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Post by southie on Dec 22, 2014 9:21:37 GMT -5
Why would anybody join the Big 12, as long as Texas is going to continue keeping all the money from LHN? The Big 12 had always had unequal revenue sharing; that is the way the members voted. Kansas gets huge bucks for its third-tier basketball rights. I believe Nebraska was getting huge money for their football third-tier rights. Let's not forget that Florida used to get lots of money from the Sunshine Network to air all kinds of Gator sporting events. I'm pretty sure Kentucky used to get all kinds of revenue for third-tier rights to their basketball games. Granted, that changed when A&M and Mizzou joined the conference, and the creation of the SEC Network. As for "new" members joining the Big 12, the reason they would join is to get more money than they are getting in their existing conference. TCU and West Virginia jumped at their invitations, so the LHN was not an issue to them.
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Post by southie on Dec 22, 2014 9:29:53 GMT -5
I don't think you understand the LHN. The LHN is Texas' 3rd tier rights. The Big 12 schools negotiate their own Tier 3 packages - radio, tv, etc. OU has their own third tier rights distributed over several Fox Sports platforms. Like Texas' deal with ESPN, OU's contract with Fox Sports falls under the Big 12 Conference's Tier 3 rights which means the schools keep all the money paid by ESPN, Fox Sports, etc instead of sharing the revenue with other schools in the conference.
When former AD Deloss Dodds began the process of expanding Texas's 3rd tier rights, he never thought of something like the LHN. His goal was something like what OU has and he offered to share it with A&M - probably to share the costs. ESPN approached Texas with the concept of the LHN.
So any of the other schools are welcome to negotiate their own channel if they can find a provider that thinks they merit it.
BTW, last year, the Big 12 teams received the biggest payouts in the history of the league - a primary reason they have fought expansion to 12 teams. Also, the money Texas receives from ESPN is nice but isn't that great compared to the publicity for all the school programs and the yearly payout that goes to the academic side of the University. That sounds good until you confront the facts that Texas refused to give up the LHN in order to join the Big 10, and they refused to give up the LHN in order to join the PAC-12. So obviously these measly little "third-tier rights" add up to a lot of money that Texas isn't sharing with the rest of the conference. Which brings us back to wondering why anybody would want to join the Big 12. Because surely Texas will have the money and size to dominate the conference, so why would anybody who had other options available want to sign up to be Texas's footstool? espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6809451/larry-scott-longhorn-network-keep-texas-joining-pac-12There was no LHN when the greedy B1G started poaching other conference members. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to join the B1G as I think it is the best fit for Texas academically and athletically (except for college baseball). But, for all those who call Texas greedy, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now if the B1G commissioner hadn't decided that he wanted more TV sets for the BTN in order to increase all member schools' revenue. And, there was no LHN yet when Texas was in discussions about being part of the PAC 14. ESPN shoved a bunch of money in front of Texas in the way of the LHN to keep them in the Big 12 as the they didn't want to lose Texas to FOX. No one expected that ESPN would present such a huge offer to Texas.
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Post by redincolorado on Dec 22, 2014 11:21:54 GMT -5
I don't see it happening with BYU cuz' of their stance AGAINST playing on sundays or some such thing.
As was obvious with the B1G's latest expansion, television market share will be the engine driving the train for any further expansion.
An obvious choice would be Notre Dame if they would ever acquiesce which I don't see happening. Another possibility as far as east coast market share goes would be Boston College.
Right now the B1G is heavily tilted to the east with the recent additions of Rutgers and Maryland and it would seem appropriate to add a couple out west. God forbid the B1G would add TexA$$.
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Post by fosho on Dec 22, 2014 12:10:27 GMT -5
BYU isn't going anywhere unless the conference agrees to BYU position of not playing on Sundays. In the meantime, BYU gets to keep competing in the WCC ...a big step-down from when they played in the MWC and WAC. For example, now the men's basketball team plays againts small programs with very little national exposure other than Gonzaga. Playing in high school gyms against San Fran, Portland, LMU. Weak. Independent football ...not a success. They must have a perfect season otherwise they're gonna play in the "whatever" I don't care bowl game. They have a losing record against teams with a winning record since going independent.
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Post by nik12 on Dec 22, 2014 13:54:48 GMT -5
Why would anybody join the Big 12, as long as Texas is going to continue keeping all the money from LHN? The Big 12 had always had unequal revenue sharing; that is the way the members voted. Kansas gets huge bucks for its third-tier basketball rights. I believe Nebraska was getting huge money for their football third-tier rights. Let's not forget that Florida used to get lots of money from the Sunshine Network to air all kinds of Gator sporting events. I'm pretty sure Kentucky used to get all kinds of revenue for third-tier rights to their basketball games. Granted, that changed when A&M and Mizzou joined the conference, and the creation of the SEC Network. As for "new" members joining the Big 12, the reason they would join is to get more money than they are getting in their existing conference. TCU and West Virginia jumped at their invitations, so the LHN was not an issue to them. Agreed. There are tons of schools who would give up their first born to join the Big 12. For money and relevance.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 22, 2014 14:02:47 GMT -5
I don't see it happening with BYU cuz' of their stance AGAINST playing on sundays or some such thing. As was obvious with the B1G's latest expansion, television market share will be the engine driving the train for any further expansion. An obvious choice would be Notre Dame if they would ever acquiesce which I don't see happening. Another possibility as far as east coast market share goes would be Boston College. Right now the B1G is heavily tilted to the east with the recent additions of Rutgers and Maryland and it would seem appropriate to add a couple out west. God forbid the B1G would add TexA$$. Would never happen with Texas. Not unless their network cut them off just like nd. If they went to superconferences nd would be forced to join in football. Only reason nd is in conference their in is because they're still independent in football. As far as location , nd would be like capital of big. They seem to be in the dead center of big territory. The big wasn't gonna let them join without football but they have been after nd for awhile. That's always been that big diamond and first school they have wanted. When they saw nd was resisting they went to other schools. They have been after nd since psu joined
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Post by gobruins on Dec 22, 2014 14:09:38 GMT -5
Like you said we are not getting anyone from SEC.......Kentucky and Vanderbilt would do nothing for football (Kentucky would be huge for Basketball, and Vandy would be good for GPA), Arkansas is not coming back and LSU has too much a storied history in SEC.
BYU and CSU are best fits and then after that UCF, USF, Cincy, but it just goes downhill after BYU & CSU.
Cincinnati has a good football and basketball history plus they are a natural travel partner for West Virginia as alluded to by the Big 12 Commissioner. UCF is getting stronger in football and the tv market is perfect.
But a big problem now as it was when Louisville wasn't invited is that the remaining schools like dividing the money by 10 instead of 12. If the NCAA denies the conference request to allow a championship game for the 10 member league, I think expansion will happen quickly.My understanding was that Louisville turned down the Big XII (not the other way around), because they were waiting for the offer to join the ACC, which they saw as the much better conference.
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 14:12:34 GMT -5
Why would anybody join the Big 12, as long as Texas is going to continue keeping all the money from LHN? I was thinking same thing. That's why schools wanted out cause Texas was getting majority share in conference, where in most other conferences money split even between schools. I think it's the Big or sec move. The first one that goes to 16 teams is gonna cause a flurry of moves around college sports. Where u will have 5 superconferences and they will have a league and everyone else will be in different league. There will be no more independents. Nd will have to join conference in fb which location wise would be Big. I think that's future of college sports You don't understand 3rd tier rights.
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Post by Boof1224 on Dec 22, 2014 14:14:55 GMT -5
I was thinking same thing. That's why schools wanted out cause Texas was getting majority share in conference, where in most other conferences money split even between schools. I think it's the Big or sec move. The first one that goes to 16 teams is gonna cause a flurry of moves around college sports. Where u will have 5 superconferences and they will have a league and everyone else will be in different league. There will be no more independents. Nd will have to join conference in fb which location wise would be Big. I think that's future of college sports You don't understand 3rd tier rights.Guess not. I know all the other major conferences split equally though
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 14:17:51 GMT -5
I don't think you understand the LHN. The LHN is Texas' 3rd tier rights. The Big 12 schools negotiate their own Tier 3 packages - radio, tv, etc. OU has their own third tier rights distributed over several Fox Sports platforms. Like Texas' deal with ESPN, OU's contract with Fox Sports falls under the Big 12 Conference's Tier 3 rights which means the schools keep all the money paid by ESPN, Fox Sports, etc instead of sharing the revenue with other schools in the conference.
When former AD Deloss Dodds began the process of expanding Texas's 3rd tier rights, he never thought of something like the LHN. His goal was something like what OU has and he offered to share it with A&M - probably to share the costs. ESPN approached Texas with the concept of the LHN.
So any of the other schools are welcome to negotiate their own channel if they can find a provider that thinks they merit it.
BTW, last year, the Big 12 teams received the biggest payouts in the history of the league - a primary reason they have fought expansion to 12 teams. Also, the money Texas receives from ESPN is nice but isn't that great compared to the publicity for all the school programs and the yearly payout that goes to the academic side of the University. That sounds good until you confront the facts that Texas refused to give up the LHN in order to join the Big 10, and they refused to give up the LHN in order to join the PAC-12. So obviously these measly little "third-tier rights" add up to a lot of money that Texas isn't sharing with the rest of the conference. Which brings us back to wondering why anybody would want to join the Big 12. Because surely Texas will have the money and size to dominate the conference, so why would anybody who had other options available want to sign up to be Texas's footstool? espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6809451/larry-scott-longhorn-network-keep-texas-joining-pac-12 Now you are changing the subject. You specifically posted about why anyone would join the Big 12 since Texas keeps all the money from the LHN. Texas doesn't have to share 3rd tier rights with anyone in the conference. Same goes for OU who is earning less than Texas but more than the other schools from their 3rd tier rights.
Now if there was a Big 12 Network and Texas received all the revenue, you'd be correct.
And those poor footstool Big 12 schools other than Texas. They just received their biggest revenue shares than many / most schools in other conferences. Talk about a lump of coal!
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Post by elevationvb on Dec 22, 2014 14:23:41 GMT -5
Cincinnati has a good football and basketball history plus they are a natural travel partner for West Virginia as alluded to by the Big 12 Commissioner. UCF is getting stronger in football and the tv market is perfect.
But a big problem now as it was when Louisville wasn't invited is that the remaining schools like dividing the money by 10 instead of 12. If the NCAA denies the conference request to allow a championship game for the 10 member league, I think expansion will happen quickly. My understanding was that Louisville turned down the Big XII (not the other way around), because they were waiting for the offer to join the ACC, which they saw as the much better conference. I'm fairly positive that wasn't the case. The first time Louisville was turned down by the Big 12 was when West Virginia was selected over them to make it 10 schools. Louisville's AD was on record as wanting to be the 10th member. Huge mistake in my opinion.
The second time was when the Big 12 refused to expand to 12 schools. After that Louisville accepted the ACC's invitation.
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