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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 26, 2014 16:10:27 GMT -5
Louisville was never a top contender and Yeluns best players have been foreign. You also fail to mention that he is also bottoming out currently at Syracuse Louisville was a top5 program is that not considered a contender? There are teams that could only dream of that success. I dont think even Tom Hilbert has gotten there yet. Louisville was never a top 5 program, nor were they a legitimate contender. They had some very good teams, but that isnt a top 5 program or a program that was competing to win a title.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 26, 2014 16:11:35 GMT -5
I'm sure i will get flack for this, but I don't see it. Penn State got talent before she was there, while she was there, and after she left. Texas got talent before she was there, while she was there, and after she left. So I don't see what she did to make the recruiting at either school that much better. And both schools she was at are pretty easy to recruit volleyball talent for. It is an accurate statement. Doesn't mean she isn't a top recruiter because she is, but your statement is as I said accurate. Her contributions have been immeasurable,and in so many areas. True. She sometimes gets too much credit, but you can't deny she has an infectious personality that recruits find appealing. Kaleena was a tireless recruiter and fantastic person for the PSU program that helped keep them on top.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 26, 2014 16:13:49 GMT -5
It is an accurate statement. Doesn't mean she isn't a top recruiter because she is, but your statement is as I said accurate. Her contributions have been immeasurable,and in so many areas. I've heard players remark that Salima is able to connect with young female athletes on a level that nearly no other recruiter can. I'd imagine that goes a long way for an athlete. I think she connects to everyone at an incredible level. She is an extremely charismatic person who also happens to be totally genuine. She is a great liaison between head coach and players, and obviously has unique experience as a player and coach. She is the assistant that everyone wants and also the head coach everyone has been anxious to hire, and for good reason.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 26, 2014 16:15:42 GMT -5
It is an accurate statement. Doesn't mean she isn't a top recruiter because she is, but your statement is as I said accurate. Her contributions have been immeasurable,and in so many areas. True. She sometimes gets too much credit, but you can't deny she has an infectious personality that recruits find appealing. Kaleena was a tireless recruiter and fantastic person for the PSU program that helped keep them on top. I never said anything close to the idea that she gets too much credit. She is deserved of all the credit she gets. I agree with a statement a poster made that the programs she has been, have also been successful prior to her being there.
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Post by volleytalker16 on Dec 26, 2014 18:06:50 GMT -5
Louisville was a top5 program is that not considered a contender? There are teams that could only dream of that success. I dont think even Tom Hilbert has gotten there yet. Louisville was never a top 5 program, nor were they a legitimate contender. They had some very good teams, but that isnt a top 5 program or a program that was competing to win a title. My apologies I was off by 1. As quoted by his Louisville profile "In 2005, Yelin established U of L as a top notch program when he led his Cards to a No. 6 ranking in the nation. " That's pretty damn good considering it WAS conference USA and as bad of a program it was before he got there. Foreign or not players make the program and he used what he had to get them that far.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Dec 26, 2014 18:12:47 GMT -5
Louisville was never a top 5 program, nor were they a legitimate contender. They had some very good teams, but that isnt a top 5 program or a program that was competing to win a title. My apologies I was off by 1. As quoted by his Louisville profile "In 2005, Yelin established U of L as a top notch program when he led his Cards to a No. 6 ranking in the nation. " That's pretty damn good considering it WAS conference USA and as bad of a program it was before he got there. Foreign or not players make the program and he used what he had to get them that far. Being ranked no. 6 for 1 week does not make you a "Top 6 program." They finished the season outside the Top 10.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 26, 2014 18:40:12 GMT -5
Louisville was never a top 5 program, nor were they a legitimate contender. They had some very good teams, but that isnt a top 5 program or a program that was competing to win a title. My apologies I was off by 1. As quoted by his Louisville profile "In 2005, Yelin established U of L as a top notch program when he led his Cards to a No. 6 ranking in the nation. " That's pretty damn good considering it WAS conference USA and as bad of a program it was before he got there. Foreign or not players make the program and he used what he had to get them that far. Finishing 6th in the rankings doesnt make you a top 6 program. BYU isnt a top 5 program, not even top 10. He is an exceptional coach, but the fact his best players have mostly been foreign may suggest he isnt a very good recruiter which was the topic of discussion. Clearly you like Yelin, and yes he clearly can coach.
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Post by chancelucky on Dec 26, 2014 18:59:37 GMT -5
I think Louisville was in teh Big East in 2006 not Conference USA. Point's the same though.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 26, 2014 19:01:50 GMT -5
I think Louisville was in teh Big East in 2006 not Conference USA. Point's the same though. agreed the point is equally wrong.
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Post by chancelucky on Dec 26, 2014 19:22:28 GMT -5
The hard thing about comparing recruiting skills is that the task is quite different at different programs. For schools at the top,you have the interest of most of the top players. You identify which ones you want and sell them on the program.
At other levels, it's more a matter of finding potential players other schools might have missed or finding an untapped source and knowing how to develop your players.The skill set for recruiting for different programs can be wildly different. The approach in the Ivy League is very different from the Big 10 and different yet again from the Big South or Big West.
In addition, there are much subtler matters than simply getting the highest-ranked kids on prepvolleyball's endless lists. One is balance between classes/scholarship management to maintain continuity from season to season. Another is coming up with a group of players who work as an actual volleyball team. In other words, you have to figure out which sorts of players complement the ones you have. You can pick up nothing but top ten players and wind up with a group with surprisingly poor ball control, not that anything like that ever happens. OFten it's as much about evaluating the mesh between personalities as it is about looking at athletic prowess or volleyball skills. One of the more undervalued skills is finding bench players and walk ons. Every season, there's some run of injuries, odd set of circumstances, etc. where a team's 11th or 12th player winds up mattering.
For those of us on the outside, we really have no way to really know or compare without following a bunch of programs very closely.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 26, 2014 19:29:49 GMT -5
Just because you were ranked in the top ten at one time, doesn't make you a top ten program. Thats like saying pacific is one RIGHT NOW. Back then they surely were, now they aren't.
PSU, Stanford USC Hawaii Texas Nebraska Washington Illinois Florida Wisconsin (now), but they just started getting good again so I hesitate to put them in that category.
IMO those are top ten teams.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Dec 26, 2014 19:37:47 GMT -5
And before anyone says "the wahine haven't made it pasts the sweet 16 since 2009" lets review who they played shall we. 2010: Washington 2011: Usc (Hawaii was the better team in EVERY statistical category, usc just scored at the right time, thus hawaii being ranked 5 at the end, even though they were eliminated in sweet 16) 2012: Washington (hawaii SHOULD HAVE been seeded) 2013: BYU (upset, hawaii played awful). 2014: Washington
So out of the five years, they have played washington and usc, two Pac 12 powerhouses and top ten programs.
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Post by gnu2vball on Dec 26, 2014 20:45:54 GMT -5
Geography pretty much assures that Hawaii is going to have a tough road. Perhaps they should consider towing their islands to the middle of the Chesapeake Bay?
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 26, 2014 21:07:39 GMT -5
True. She sometimes gets too much credit, but you can't deny she has an infectious personality that recruits find appealing. Kaleena was a tireless recruiter and fantastic person for the PSU program that helped keep them on top. I never said anything close to the idea that she gets too much credit. She is deserved of all the credit she gets. I agree with a statement a poster made that the programs she has been, have also been successful prior to her being there. You didn't say it. I was saying it. Sometimes she's a little too revered on this board, IMO. She's good, but sometimes people make her out to be King Midas.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 26, 2014 21:37:06 GMT -5
I never said anything close to the idea that she gets too much credit. She is deserved of all the credit she gets. I agree with a statement a poster made that the programs she has been, have also been successful prior to her being there. You didn't say it. I was saying it. Sometimes she's a little too revered on this board, IMO. She's good, but sometimes people make her out to be King Midas. [/quote She is as good as everyone thinks she is. It is a reputation earned. I do understand your point, which as I said is fair.
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