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Post by Paulj on Dec 27, 2014 7:49:48 GMT -5
Let me suggest that the best recruiter is the one who can persuade athletes to move furthest from their homes to play. To give up the most in pursuit of their dream. With that metric, the Ivy League has, by far, the best recruiters.
Or perhaps, the recruiter has a relatively small role and the ability of the university to deliver long term benefit(s) might be an over-riding factor.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 27, 2014 8:29:19 GMT -5
Let me suggest that the best recruiter is the one who can persuade athletes to move furthest from their homes to play. To give up the most in pursuit of their dream. With that metric, the Ivy League has, by far, the best recruiters. Or perhaps, the recruiter has a relatively small role and the ability of the university to deliver long term benefit(s) might be an over-riding factor. Kid's are not going to the Ivy's because some assistant is great on the phone, the institutions are the draw. Now their may be better recruiters at some Ivy's than others, but kids arent giving up scholarships at state schools to go to the ivy league because of recruiting.
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Post by rogero1 on Dec 27, 2014 22:19:48 GMT -5
Let me suggest that the best recruiter is the one who can persuade athletes to move furthest from their homes to play. To give up the most in pursuit of their dream. With that metric, the Ivy League has, by far, the best recruiters. Or perhaps, the recruiter has a relatively small role and the ability of the university to deliver long term benefit(s) might be an over-riding factor. Kid's are not going to the Ivy's because some assistant is great on the phone, the institutions are the draw. Now their may be better recruiters at some Ivy's than others, but kids arent giving up scholarships at state schools to go to the ivy league because of recruiting. Two of our players ended up at Brown & Cornell after being seen and offered at the Las Vegas tourney. They went for the education and not just to play volleyball. Both were set to attend a state school where they would play club ball and get nearly a full ride academically.
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Post by goodtobeagator on Dec 28, 2014 9:38:25 GMT -5
My apologies I was off by 1. As quoted by his Louisville profile "In 2005, Yelin established U of L as a top notch program when he led his Cards to a No. 6 ranking in the nation. " That's pretty damn good considering it WAS conference USA and as bad of a program it was before he got there. Foreign or not players make the program and he used what he had to get them that far. Finishing 6th in the rankings doesnt make you a top 6 program. BYU isnt a top 5 program, not even top 10. He is an exceptional coach, but the fact his best players have mostly been foreign may suggest he isnt a very good recruiter which was the topic of discussion. Clearly you like Yelin, and yes he clearly can coach. Why is recruiting foreign players not evidence of good recruiting? Would seem to be a major benefit to have the established contacts and ability to pull talent from all over the world. International recruiting is a definite plus. In some conferences, it's the only way to win. See UALR.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Dec 28, 2014 11:08:03 GMT -5
Finishing 6th in the rankings doesnt make you a top 6 program. BYU isnt a top 5 program, not even top 10. He is an exceptional coach, but the fact his best players have mostly been foreign may suggest he isnt a very good recruiter which was the topic of discussion. Clearly you like Yelin, and yes he clearly can coach. Why is recruiting foreign players not evidence of good recruiting? Would seem to be a major benefit to have the established contacts and ability to pull talent from all over the world. International recruiting is a definite plus. In some conferences, it's the only way to win. See UALR. I think it doesn't get a lot of credit because foreign players probably don't know any better to pick a top 30 program over a UALR or Syracuse. You merely have to present the promise of school in America.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 28, 2014 16:59:29 GMT -5
Finishing 6th in the rankings doesnt make you a top 6 program. BYU isnt a top 5 program, not even top 10. He is an exceptional coach, but the fact his best players have mostly been foreign may suggest he isnt a very good recruiter which was the topic of discussion. Clearly you like Yelin, and yes he clearly can coach. Why is recruiting foreign players not evidence of good recruiting? Would seem to be a major benefit to have the established contacts and ability to pull talent from all over the world. International recruiting is a definite plus. In some conferences, it's the only way to win. See UALR. WHile it means you have good contacts and relationships, it usually means you arent having to compete with 30 schools to get that player. In many if not most cases those kids arent even visiting your school let alone 5-10 different ones. In many if not most cases you arent "out recruiting" programs for those players.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 18:28:12 GMT -5
I certainly respect Dottie on this board. Who do you think are the elite recruiters in the nation, or best by conference?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 28, 2014 18:48:55 GMT -5
I certainly respect Dottie on this board. Who do you think are the elite recruiters in the nation, or best by conference? Head or asst?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 18:51:10 GMT -5
I know assistants are often point people, but the head coach is the key recruiter in my opinion.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 28, 2014 19:03:07 GMT -5
I know assistants are often point people, but the head coach is the key recruiter in my opinion. More than anything, the coaches who work really hard at it, and have good people skills. Sheffield, Rose, Hambly, Shondell, Aird....
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Post by dizzydean on Dec 28, 2014 19:38:24 GMT -5
I know assistants are often point people, but the head coach is the key recruiter in my opinion. More than anything, the coaches who work really hard at it, and have good people skills. Sheffield, Rose, Hambly, Shondell, Aird.... Not sold on Aird. He's his own greatest PR.
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Post by volleyballfanatic on Dec 28, 2014 19:56:57 GMT -5
I was not thrilled with Aird's people skills when I dealt with him when he was at TCA (club volleyball). Maybe things were out of his control and he just had to try to handle the screwed up business of the club.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Dec 28, 2014 19:57:26 GMT -5
More than anything, the coaches who work really hard at it, and have good people skills. Sheffield, Rose, Hambly, Shondell, Aird.... Not sold on Aird. He's his own greatest PR. Not saying that is or isnt true, the question is who IMO are strong recruiters. I would say that recruiting requires a great deal of that. I do know that they have some commitments from kids who were offered at programs much further along then Maryland. The ability to get kids to sign with over better programs is the sign of a good recruiter. Steve has great energy, he connects well with young people, and is very competitive. Great attributes for recruiting.
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Post by dizzydean on Dec 28, 2014 20:00:00 GMT -5
Not sold on Aird. He's his own greatest PR. Not saying that is or isnt true, the question is who IMO are strong recruiters. I would say that recruiting requires a great deal of that. I do know that they have some commitments from kids who were offered at programs much further along then Maryland. The ability to get kids to sign with over better programs is the sign of a good recruiter. Steve has great energy, he connects well with young people, and is very competitive. Great attributes for recruiting. I think he's very strong talking to people.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2014 20:03:15 GMT -5
Do you trust him? Do you believe his staff can out-train much of the Big Ten? Out-working does not necessarily equal better.
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