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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 25, 2015 19:44:17 GMT -5
Washington is a great school in the pac12, so Im surprised they don't draw the recruits USC, PSU, etc do. They may not have the greatest volleyball history, but its not exactly a bad history either. I mean they get there fair share of good recruits, but nothing like usc, texas, psu, Stanford and nebraska do. Distance and weather plays a role. With sand volleyball becoming more prominent, that could hurt UW, even with a sand program (who wants to play sand in the rain?) with players who want to play indoor and sand. On the other hand, it can be argued that UW needs to pull local/NW rabbits out of the hat (Thompson, Morrison, Myhre, Lee, Deesing, Mussie, Rowland, Nelson, etc.) to be a Top 5/10 team. The 2005 team had eight players from WA/OR/BC. But will they be able to make those unheard of recruits into AA like Jmac was? I don't know. I think for NOW, washington needs to focus on getting the top recruits, until we see how the new HC will be
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 25, 2015 19:56:39 GMT -5
Distance and weather plays a role. With sand volleyball becoming more prominent, that could hurt UW, even with a sand program (who wants to play sand in the rain?) with players who want to play indoor and sand. On the other hand, it can be argued that UW needs to pull local/NW rabbits out of the hat (Thompson, Morrison, Myhre, Lee, Deesing, Mussie, Rowland, Nelson, etc.) to be a Top 5/10 team. The 2005 team had eight players from WA/OR/BC. But will they be able to make those unheard of recruits into AA like Jmac was? I don't know. I think for NOW, washington needs to focus on getting the top recruits, until we see how the new HC will be Well, it can be argued that Thompson, Morrison, and Rowland, at least, had AA talent coming in. Bajema might fit that mold. Being a Hawaii fan you have to be aware of the role distance can play. The two most remote major D1 volleyball programs: 1. Hawaii, 2. Washington. Both programs have relied heavily on local recruits.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Mar 25, 2015 20:13:52 GMT -5
But will they be able to make those unheard of recruits into AA like Jmac was? I don't know. I think for NOW, washington needs to focus on getting the top recruits, until we see how the new HC will be Well, it can be argued that Thompson, Morrison, and Rowland, at least, had AA talent coming in. Bajema might fit that mold. Being a Hawaii fan you have to be aware of the role distance can play. The two most remote major D1 volleyball programs: 1. Hawaii, 2. Washington. Both programs have relied heavily on local recruits. True. And thats why I think Jmac was probably the best coach in the pac12. Best recruiter? Ehh not really. Best coach? Yes. Dunning is my favorite coach, but coming from a non biased POV, even though washington has beat hawaii 3 times out of the past 5 years, and I resent you guys for that, JMac could flat out coach volleyball
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 25, 2015 21:19:03 GMT -5
True. And thats why I think Jmac was probably the best coach in the pac12. Best recruiter? Ehh not really. Best coach? Yes. Dunning is my favorite coach, but coming from a non biased POV, even though washington has beat hawaii 3 times out of the past 5 years, and I resent you guys for that, JMac could flat out coach volleyball He was an early proponent of GM2, and arguably his 2005 championship did a great deal to validate and popularize those principles and methods. They allowed him to squeeze more out of less, talent-wise. If he has a weakness, it would be a tendency toward perfectionism.
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Post by deepsouthfan on Mar 26, 2015 9:57:42 GMT -5
I heard he bail for over 400,000 reasons... you heard wrong Are you sure?... every single Catholic HS in the Midwest wants to attend ND's camp.... I'm pretty sure that kind of interest will put him at or over 400,000 reasons to be there...
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Post by mikegarrison on Mar 26, 2015 10:05:07 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I don't think he had any problem filling his camps in Seattle.
As far as I can tell, there is no reason to doubt his public statements that he accepted this job because of family/personal ties to Notre Dame.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 26, 2015 12:00:23 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I don't think he had any problem filling his camps in Seattle. As far as I can tell, there is no reason to doubt his public statements that he accepted this job because of family/personal ties to Notre Dame. Yeah, Notre Dame was possibly the only job that would have got him to leave UW, due to his wife's family connections. When it came open... Any other positive aspects of the Notre Dame job (religion, talent pool, etc.) or negative aspects of the UW job (weather, distance, traffic, etc.) are pretty much beside the point.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Mar 26, 2015 13:02:57 GMT -5
Are you sure?... every single Catholic HS in the Midwest wants to attend ND's camp.... I'm pretty sure that kind of interest will put him at or over 400,000 reasons to be there... well I wasnt aware that they had received camp applications from every one of the over 2,000 catholic HS's in the midwest. I stand corrected. Will they be hosting that camp at multiple sites? He is well compensated as he was in Seattle, this move was not money driven.
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Post by Kale'aRuth on Mar 26, 2015 20:24:52 GMT -5
Are you sure?... every single Catholic HS in the Midwest wants to attend ND's camp.... I'm pretty sure that kind of interest will put him at or over 400,000 reasons to be there... PSU~ $387,500.00 ; < NDU~ $400,000.00 hmm.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Mar 27, 2015 8:34:31 GMT -5
Are you sure?... every single Catholic HS in the Midwest wants to attend ND's camp.... I'm pretty sure that kind of interest will put him at or over 400,000 reasons to be there... PSU~ $387,500.00 ; < NDU~ $400,000.00 hmm. No idea what those figures represent.
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Post by vbman100 on Mar 27, 2015 9:59:37 GMT -5
But will they be able to make those unheard of recruits into AA like Jmac was? I don't know. I think for NOW, washington needs to focus on getting the top recruits, until we see how the new HC will be Well, it can be argued that Thompson, Morrison, and Rowland, at least, had AA talent coming in. Bajema might fit that mold. Being a Hawaii fan you have to be aware of the role distance can play. The two most remote major D1 volleyball programs: 1. Hawaii, 2. Washington. Both programs have relied heavily on local recruits. I don't know enough about the Pacific NW club vb landscape to know...were Courtney Thompson, Candace Lee, Kindra Carlson (Colorado), Kaleigh Nelson highly ranked / highly touted recruits?
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Post by redbeard2008 on Mar 27, 2015 10:40:52 GMT -5
I don't know enough about the Pacific NW club vb landscape to know...were Courtney Thompson, Candace Lee, Kindra Carlson (Colorado), Kaleigh Nelson highly ranked / highly touted recruits? That some might have been unheralded, doesn't mean they weren't talented. JMac wasn't just taking inert clay and molding it into action figures. The NW (WA, OR, BC, etc.) has a decent pool of volleyball talent, but it is up and down. Morrison was the most heralded NW recruit. On the other hand, Barfield was a heralded local recruit (#8 nationally, if I recall), but never performed up to perhaps inflated expectations. Thompson, Nelson, and Schwan were multi-sport athletes in high school, as is Kara Bajema (2016 commit). Thompson was all-state in basketball. Bajema started on state champion volleyball and basketball teams. Multi-sport athletes tend to get less notice. The club an athlete is at can impact how visible they are nationally. It is more expensive for NW teams to travel to compete nationally and not all parents are willing or able to make up the difference.
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Post by Kale'aRuth on Mar 27, 2015 10:47:46 GMT -5
Puyallup has always been good to the U.
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Post by akbar on Mar 27, 2015 11:13:24 GMT -5
Puyallup has always been good to the U.
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Post by c4ndlelight on Mar 27, 2015 11:17:08 GMT -5
I don't know enough about the Pacific NW club vb landscape to know...were Courtney Thompson, Candace Lee, Kindra Carlson (Colorado), Kaleigh Nelson highly ranked / highly touted recruits? That some might have been unheralded, doesn't mean they weren't talented. JMac wasn't just taking inert clay and molding it into action figures. The NW (WA, OR, BC, etc.) has a decent pool of volleyball talent, but it is up and down. Morrison was the most heralded NW recruit. On the other hand, Barfield was a heralded local recruit (#8 nationally, if I recall), but never performed up to perhaps inflated expectations. Thompson, Nelson, and Schwan were multi-sport athletes in high school, as is Kara Bajema (2016 commit). Thompson was all-state in basketball. Bajema started on state champion volleyball and basketball teams. Multi-sport athletes tend to get less notice. The club an athlete is at can impact how visible they are nationally. It is more expensive for NW teams to travel to compete nationally and not all parents are willing or able to make up the difference. The NW clubs you're talking about all play 2-3 qualifiers and/or Vegas in the Open division for national exposure, plus plenty of regional exposure at local PL & tourneys. The players get seen enough to get noticed (though that probably wasn't as much the case 15 years ago). Playing multiple sports doesn't lessen the exposure from playing club. You may want to take a wait and see approach on hyping up Bajema. She has nice size and length, but that's mitigated by a very low vertical and she doesn't have the foot speed/explosiveness/dynamic athleticism of others. I wasn't too surprised not to see her on Top 50/Next35 Juniors despite being a UW recruit. Niece is undersized but very quick. IMO she should be ranked higher.
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