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Post by bigfan on Jan 23, 2015 15:46:50 GMT -5
Do have any idea how hard this will make the ref's Jobs to carry out. The pressure on them will be immense esp if their calls are reversed. How would you like to have Gimmillaro in your ear an entire match.
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Post by Garand on Jan 23, 2015 15:50:20 GMT -5
Do have any idea how hard this will make the ref's Jobs to carry out. The pressure on them will be immense esp if their calls are reversed. How would you like to have Gimmillaro in your ear an entire match. Doesn't he pretty much do that already?
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Post by Cubicle No More ... on Jan 23, 2015 16:03:19 GMT -5
BUll%*$#.....................leave the game alone. The game will become unwatchable like basketball, baseball and football have become. Jack Hamann of Volleyblog Seattle did a nice interview with Karch and asked about instant replay. Karch talked about how the game has become faster and it's becoming more difficult for line judges. He said the toughest call is often the cross-court shot. With the remarkable advances in video technology (and lower costs) it just makes no sense to at least experiment. Personally, I think it would make more sense to start with tournament matches, where one or two bad calls can ufairly end a team's season. But this is a good start. it might be worth it to work out the kinks first using some regular season matches as a trial. let everyone, especially the refs, get familiar with and use to new rules, procedures, etc. the instant replay was used in the hawaii outrigger tournament on the men's side 2 weeks ago. whenever a coach used one of their instant replays, there seemed to always be delays and confusion all around. of course, i'm not sure they had the right replay cams/technology. i think they were essentially using a replay from the tv coverage, which didn't always have the best angles. the few int'l matches i've watched seemed to have a real efficient method for allowing the ref to view a replay. i'd prefer the ncaa get things to that level before using it on tournament matches, especially the later televised rounds. otherwise an unusually long delay just to look at a replay ends up looking bad on the tv coverage, not to mention disrupting the flow/momentum of a critical match.
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Post by n00b on Jan 23, 2015 16:12:05 GMT -5
Do have any idea how hard this will make the ref's Jobs to carry out. The pressure on them will be immense esp if their calls are reversed. How would you like to have Gimmillaro in your ear an entire match. I actually think the opposite. When Major League Baseball added replay, the frequency of managers running on the field, throwing a fit, and getting tossed out of the game dropped dramatically. DIsagree with a call? Challenge it. There's no reason to argue and yell at the refs anymore (regarding the plays that are reviewable). That being said, I don't think the video quality is good enough for the vast majority of questionable calls. Was any angle definitive about the BYU-Texas touch call at the end of the match? The quality of video at the international tournament
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 23, 2015 17:49:23 GMT -5
Jack Hamann of Volleyblog Seattle did a nice interview with Karch and asked about instant replay. Karch talked about how the game has become faster and it's becoming more difficult for line judges. He said the toughest call is often the cross-court shot. With the remarkable advances in video technology (and lower costs) it just makes no sense to at least experiment. Personally, I think it would make more sense to start with tournament matches, where one or two bad calls can ufairly end a team's season. But this is a good start. it might be worth it to work out the kinks first using some regular season matches as a trial. let everyone, especially the refs, get familiar with and use to new rules, procedures, etc. the instant replay was used in the hawaii outrigger tournament on the men's side 2 weeks ago. whenever a coach used one of their instant replays, there seemed to always be delays and confusion all around. of course, i'm not sure they had the right replay cams/technology. i think they were essentially using a replay from the tv coverage, which didn't always have the best angles. the few int'l matches i've watched seemed to have a real efficient method for allowing the ref to view a replay. i'd prefer the ncaa get things to that level before using it on tournament matches, especially the later televised rounds. otherwise an unusually long delay just to look at a replay ends up looking bad on the tv coverage, not to mention disrupting the flow/momentum of a critical match. NFL is the most popular viewing sport in the US, and they have not only challenge replays but also automatic replays. It doesn't seem to disrupt the popularity if the sport. I admit, baseball has had some growing pains, though, occasionally with some really long waits for replays. Maybe that's because they centralized all the replay officials in league HQ.
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Post by bc1900 on Jan 23, 2015 18:00:59 GMT -5
That's the point; in tennis the replay is so fast and conclusive it doesn't interfere with the flow of the match at all; from challenge to decision takes less than a minute, not much different than the time between points anyway. Plus the fans can see the replay on the big screen so it becomes part of the entertainment. You know, any decent video game designer could make a kick-ass animation of the tennis ball either touching or missing the line. But that wouldn't actually mean that it *did* touch or miss the line. That's one of the things I don't like about the tennis system, the fact that a computer animation is shown rather than the actual replay. It's kind of like trusting the results from electronic voting machines. The Hawk-Eye system has a mean error of 3.6 mm, less than 2 tenths of an inch. The fact is, tennis balls are moving so fast typical video cameras at 30 fps can't pick up the exact contact point, only very high speed cameras (1000 fps) can, and that is how Hawk-Eye was accredited. It's very accurate and it continues to be refined, even John McEnroe likes it!
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 23, 2015 18:12:08 GMT -5
You know, any decent video game designer could make a kick-ass animation of the tennis ball either touching or missing the line. But that wouldn't actually mean that it *did* touch or miss the line. That's one of the things I don't like about the tennis system, the fact that a computer animation is shown rather than the actual replay. It's kind of like trusting the results from electronic voting machines. The Hawk-Eye system has a mean error of 3.6 mm, less than 2 tenths of an inch. How do you know?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2015 18:47:52 GMT -5
Probably UNC at the end of the 1st set in the Regional Final... Haha I don't even remember the call. But I was talking about Elliott, as he was quoted in the postmatch Press conference after BYU saying there should be instant replay Jerrits been I'm favor of replay at at least the final four for a number of year . This year just proved his point. Glad they're at least trying it.
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Post by canda on Jan 23, 2015 19:23:51 GMT -5
Would only favor replay for whether balls are in or out. Anything else will require long periods of time to review.
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Post by bc1900 on Jan 23, 2015 19:31:00 GMT -5
The Hawk-Eye system has a mean error of 3.6 mm, less than 2 tenths of an inch. How do you know? Their Website
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 23, 2015 21:54:53 GMT -5
Ah. And of course, they have no reason to be biased toward the effectiveness of their own product.... I'm not saying they aren't accurate. But I would have more confidence in them if instead of seeing a computer-generated animation, we saw the actual video. If, instead of analyzing the video, all they did was use a random number generator and draw an in or out animation based on that, would you really be able to tell the difference?
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Post by Phaedrus on Jan 23, 2015 22:15:10 GMT -5
There is a standard for measurement for just about everything under the sun. Is there one for this kind of equipment?
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Post by vbwatcher on Jan 23, 2015 22:44:15 GMT -5
The University of Hawaii Mens team used video replay at the 2015 Outrigger tournament that they hosted earlier this month in Honolulu, They televised 1 match each day and both coaches were allowed video challenges. The first match with Ohio State and UH had a challenge in game one that Ohio State won on video replay. A great concept that if possible would help both the Men's and the women's game. History was made in Hawaii in 2015.
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Post by oldmanred on Jan 24, 2015 8:38:35 GMT -5
I think there is more mistakes made on touches than in or out calls! GO HUSKERS
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Post by akbar on Jan 24, 2015 8:58:48 GMT -5
I think there is more mistakes made on touches than in or out calls! GO HUSKERS Oh, just bring back the honor call.
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