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Post by rogero1 on Jan 24, 2015 21:25:48 GMT -5
I think there is more mistakes made on touches than in or out calls! GO HUSKERS Oh, just bring back the honor call. There is no honor with today's players and coaches (unless you play for a christian school that promotes good sportsmanship and honesty). Both rarities in today's world.
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Post by roger on Jan 25, 2015 8:22:37 GMT -5
Tournament time, maybe, to eliminate the "we would've...etc, but all season will just delay and are there really so many critical calls during the season to change the speed, continuity and excitement of the game to demand perfection?
I fail to see the improvement that will only lead to the others saying "lets do it all the time."
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Post by roger on Jan 25, 2015 8:30:44 GMT -5
I would challenge vigorously that there is no honor in today's coaches and players. That is a slam on the youngsters and should be rescinded quickly.
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Post by coloradokidd on Jan 25, 2015 9:28:00 GMT -5
I understand but after the initial purchase....? We already have the net cam. Ultimately I would like to see it AT LEAST find its way into the NCAA regional and finals. The cost would not matter to an individual school. Agree. The cameras are already there, and the television audience is viewing the replay's including slo-mo's. Why not have a monitor at the officials table with a headset talking directly to the production truck and asking for required replays needed.
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Post by coloradokidd on Jan 25, 2015 10:17:52 GMT -5
Mistakes ARE made. But that doesn't mean that can't be corrected...and quickly. And sometimes they are critical mistakes. Two 4th set line calls in the UW/Nebraska tournament match probably would have been overturned with simple instant replay. I agree however, that, for now, replay should be line calls only...not touches. It makes no sense to ignore technology that can improve officiating. Agree, but if a slow motion replay shows extended fingers being bent back on the blocker as the spiked ball passes over ..., although most would probably be shown to be inconclusive. And I doubt a coach would waste a challenge on a touch, as they probably would need them more on missed line calls. Question: Would a coach lose 1 of their 2(?) challenges if the original call is reversed? I think the refs would welcome the help of replays since the television viewing audience has already seen that their call was 'incorrect', but also the opposite plus - where their calls were justified and not seen by the viewing audience in real time. *Also regarding the WA/NE match - so many disputable calls. But one was when NE was up 24-14 and an 'out' call would have ended the set, but was ruled in by the up ref. Did the WA team expend a lot of energy (wasted) playing on in that set, or was it something they needed in order to get ready for the next set? Thoughts to Ponder.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 25, 2015 16:24:40 GMT -5
Big XII should be interesting to watch next year. I am just hoping the officials are somewhat trained with it before a conference match so when it is time for a video review, the guess work with what to do or where to look is taken out of the mix. And it will be interesting to know if a coach calls for a video replay, does it burn a timeout if the play stands? This thing is going to be a mess.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 25, 2015 16:26:35 GMT -5
Oh, just bring back the honor call. There is no honor with today's players and coaches (unless you play for a christian school that promotes good sportsmanship and honesty). Both rarities in today's world. Instant replay means volleyball has become like football, basketball. It will suck the flow out of the game.
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Post by bigfan on Jan 25, 2015 16:27:35 GMT -5
I would challenge vigorously that there is no honor in today's coaches and players. That is a slam on the youngsters and should be rescinded quickly. It is a slam on the coaches.........they will be the ones complaining and calling it.
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Post by zenyada on Jan 25, 2015 20:49:45 GMT -5
--A Hawkeye system for line calls would be great. --Like baseball that leaves balls n strikes to umps, leave touches and pancakes to to the refs. --Anything more, I agree would interupt flow and make matches unwatchable. Football delays have become ridiculous.
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Post by mikegarrison on Jan 25, 2015 22:18:15 GMT -5
Oh, just bring back the honor call. There is no honor with today's players and coaches (unless you play for a christian school that promotes good sportsmanship and honesty). Both rarities in today's world. Wait, seriously? You think only Christians have honor?
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Post by dorothymantooth on Jan 25, 2015 23:21:44 GMT -5
I understand but after the initial purchase....? We already have the net cam. Ultimately I would like to see it AT LEAST find its way into the NCAA regional and finals. The cost would not matter to an individual school. Agree. The cameras are already there, and the television audience is viewing the replay's including slo-mo's. Why not have a monitor at the officials table with a headset talking directly to the production truck and asking for required replays needed. I just dont think you can operate with a different set of rules at different stages of the NCAA tournament. This is being explored heavily within the Big Ten, everyone wants it, the issue is cost. To just do the sidelines and baseline, the cost of the system (they are using FIVB model) is 22k and uses I believe 9 cameras. It would be another 4k to do 3 meter lines, and another 4-5 to do the net (touches) The computer system they use also has a annual cost. To do it right is expensive.
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Post by WI FIB on Jan 26, 2015 17:52:38 GMT -5
The problem with the FIVB system is the way it's set up for line calls, the line judges are required to stand in a base position that is less than ideal for them (about 6-12 inches off their primary line), because their normal position is in the way of the camera, thus, causing more line errors and replay reviews. Ugly cycle.
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Post by s0uthie on Jan 27, 2015 12:10:40 GMT -5
The Hawkeye system is still cost-prohibitive in the NCAA. At the AVCA convention Kevin Hambly quoted the cost at around $200,000 PER MATCH. So unless something has changed, I doubt this is coming anytime soon and we're talking about standard video replay here. My proposal would look like this:
1. Coaches start each set with three timeouts. 2. After using a timeout, a coach may choose to challenge the previous decision. 3. If the referee's call is upheld by replay, the challenging coach is charged with a second timeout. 4. You must have an extra timeout available in order to challenge a call.
This way, challenges will operate like normal timeout interruptions. Coaches can talk to their teams during the break and, at the same time, the down referee (or both, whatever) would have those 90 seconds to review the replay and determine if the call should be overturned. Game flow shouldn't be terribly harmed by the extra timeout, especially since that extra timeout disappears if you miss a challenge.
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Post by FOBRA on Feb 3, 2015 15:13:21 GMT -5
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Post by psumaui on Feb 3, 2015 16:41:51 GMT -5
I would think using the paddle system would work for challenges. Just stand up and hold up Red paddle so one of the refs sees it.
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