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Post by rainbowbadger on May 21, 2016 4:55:36 GMT -5
For sure. What you miss could be basic, or could be quite consequential. I am a former teacher, but have been out of the biz for a decade or so. Back in the day, I had kids who would've been okay missing that week, and also kids who would've struggled for the rest of the school year. I would hope that the kids and parents know which bucket they fall into. Though I realize that's asking a high level of self-awareness.
Missing the first week is definitely not "no big deal," especially when you're taking about AP, especially the more analytical/qualitative ones, where grasp of fundamental concepts is necessary to move forward (AP lit was just like, "okay, here's your first book to read," and AP US History was just like, "Once upon a time the US was a British colony...").
Ideally, though I doubt it happens, teachers would be consulted ahead of time when making the decision. Then they can help the student realize the magnitude of the absence.
My point was that if I had a student who was selected, I'd work with them to help them catch up, but I'd also make sure they understood the level of effort involved and the importance of mastering these fundamental concepts quickly.
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Post by jma1968 on May 21, 2016 12:52:25 GMT -5
Does every HP offer include an an offer to take a spot on the waitlist for the next higher-level program? (Except the pinnacle programs at each level, of course.)
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Post by norcal on May 21, 2016 18:25:12 GMT -5
Does every HP offer include an an offer to take a spot on the waitlist for the next higher-level program? (Except the pinnacle programs at each level, of course.) Yes
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Post by Northern lights on May 21, 2016 19:23:32 GMT -5
Get over yourselves, jeez. a kid missing a week of school to represent their country in a sport they love is a good thing, no matter how you look at it. Of course education is important, so are friendships, family, volunteering, sports, debating and anything else that helps to make you a better person.
A good teacher will understand this, and do their best to help the kid. Gloom and doom nonsense.
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Post by sandman32 on May 21, 2016 23:22:53 GMT -5
Does every HP offer include an an offer to take a spot on the waitlist for the next higher-level program? (Except the pinnacle programs at each level, of course.) No. contrary to what you heard. I mean technically yes, as they will reach as deep into the pool as they have to to fill the spots, but I know for a fact not every invitation also accompanies an alternate invite.
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Post by sandman32 on Jun 14, 2016 8:47:32 GMT -5
Youth A1 Team It should be interesting to see how these girls stack up, just as it will the new kids assigned to the YNTT. On the team:
8 Were at the Holiday Camp from various 2015 teams.
17 of 33 are brand new to HP 4 were on A1 Last year. 2 were on Continental last year 8 Were on A2 last year and new to HP in 2014. 1 was at Holiday Camp and A1 in 2014 1 was on A1 in 2014
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Post by norcal on Jun 14, 2016 9:46:48 GMT -5
Youth A1 Team It should be interesting to see how these girls stack up, just as it will the new kids assigned to the YNTT. On the team: 8 Were at the Holiday Camp from various 2015 teams. 17 of 33 are brand new to HP 4 were on A1 Last year. 2 were on Continental last year 8 Were on A2 last year and new to HP in 2014. 1 was at Holiday Camp and A1 in 2014 1 was on A1 in 2014 The relevant point is only 4 former A1 select players. For most it is Youth Team or bust. Move focus to college camps etc.
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Post by vbfamily on Jun 14, 2016 9:57:48 GMT -5
There is still a lot of talent here, knowing a number of these players (some already committed to big schools--Oregon, Florida State, Colorado and others with several offers), the teams will still be very talented, especially those on the top team or two. Will be fun to watch them!
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Post by jma1968 on Jun 14, 2016 10:17:22 GMT -5
The relevant point is only 4 former A1 select players. For most it is Youth Team or bust. Move focus to college camps etc. An alternative take would be: we are not very good at identifying who will become International-caliber 15 and 16 year olds when they are 13 and 14.
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Post by norcal on Jun 14, 2016 10:20:25 GMT -5
Youth A1 Team It should be interesting to see how these girls stack up, just as it will the new kids assigned to the YNTT. On the team: 8 Were at the Holiday Camp from various 2015 teams. 17 of 33 are brand new to HP 4 were on A1 Last year. 2 were on Continental last year 8 Were on A2 last year and new to HP in 2014. 1 was at Holiday Camp and A1 in 2014 1 was on A1 in 2014 Not sure that the 17 are new to HP. Many received A2 offers last year and declined. With A1 girls going youth team or bust, these girls are now A1 youth training girls.
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Post by coachl on Jun 14, 2016 10:21:57 GMT -5
The relevant point is only 4 former A1 select players. For most it is Youth Team or bust. Move focus to college camps etc. An alternative take would be: we are not very good at identifying who will become International-caliber 15 and 16 year olds when they are 13 and 14. What you are saying may be true, but this is not evidence to support your point. It's not that there are very few Select A1 returners because they didn't make it this year.
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Post by norcal on Jun 14, 2016 10:24:00 GMT -5
The relevant point is only 4 former A1 select players. For most it is Youth Team or bust. Move focus to college camps etc. An alternative take would be: we are not very good at identifying who will become International-caliber 15 and 16 year olds when they are 13 and 14. As noted previously, many younger girls not A1 previously were asked to try out this year for the youth team by the coaches. Thus the youth team is stacked with 2019 girls and one 2020 girl. Yes, that girl.
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Post by sandman32 on Jun 14, 2016 10:39:12 GMT -5
Youth A1 Team It should be interesting to see how these girls stack up, just as it will the new kids assigned to the YNTT. On the team: 8 Were at the Holiday Camp from various 2015 teams. 17 of 33 are brand new to HP 4 were on A1 Last year. 2 were on Continental last year 8 Were on A2 last year and new to HP in 2014. 1 was at Holiday Camp and A1 in 2014 1 was on A1 in 2014 Not sure that the 17 are new to HP. Many received A2 offers last year and declined. With A1 girls going youth team or bust, these girls are now A1 youth training girls. How could you possibly know if the 17 new girls were offered last year? The way USA does the acceptance/rejection process is private. You may know of a few individuals but not Not sure that the 17 are new to HP. Many received A2 offers last year and declined. With A1 girls going youth team or bust, these girls are now A1 youth training girls.
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Post by sandman32 on Jun 14, 2016 10:42:41 GMT -5
An alternative take would be: we are not very good at identifying who will become International-caliber 15 and 16 year olds when they are 13 and 14. As noted previously, many younger girls not A1 previously were asked to try out this year for the youth team by the coaches. Thus the youth team is stacked with 2019 girls and one 2020 girl. Yes, that girl. And if you look at this roster it has an abundance of 2019 kids. Sometimes I think that people think that only kids who have been in the program are good. 15 2019's and 3 2020's.
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Post by jma1968 on Jun 14, 2016 11:22:02 GMT -5
An alternative take would be: we are not very good at identifying who will become International-caliber 15 and 16 year olds when they are 13 and 14. What you are saying may be true, but this is not evidence to support your point. It's not that there are very few Select A1 returners because they didn't make it this year. If I were running the HP program, I would lose sleep over some of sandman's numbers. As it is, I'm not an insider by any stretch, so I have no idea (and no means for knowing) which Select A1 returners tried out or didn't, and of those who did, why so few are on the YNT Training roster this year. YMMV, you might be in a much better position to know the real story than I am. But the "YNT or nothing" mentality is hard for me to understand, especially if the alternative (as was suggested) is to go to a preferred college camp instead. I'm proposing an alternative hypothesis. The fact that so few Select A1 kids from last year are on the YNT Training roster would be circumstantial evidence for it.
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