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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 27, 2015 12:36:20 GMT -5
It does not matter that Penn St is across the country, it is just hard to get to period. It is not near a major airport (Harrisburg is not a major airport) and if you do fly non-stop to a major airport you have to drive several hours to get there.
If you choose PSU it is for Rose and the chance to win Championship(s)!
Only point I was trying to make is that is influential as a specific coach can be they're other things that can be in play also. Damn it, I have to read your posts two or three times to piece together what you are trying to say!
OK, agreed that there are always a couple factors in play.
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Post by southie on Mar 27, 2015 12:47:24 GMT -5
Could part of reason she chose Texas is because it's closer to home and her family and not across the country. That can play big part for some athletes Unless a recruit indicates why they chose a particular school somewhat far from home, it's tough to know the deciding factor. I recall Ashley Engle talking about how hard Jerritt had to work to get her to visit Texas. She admitted having a pre-conceived notion that Texas was nothing but dust and tumbleweeds. When she finally did visit, she was shocked to learn how similar Austin was to southern California in certain aspects. Texas hadn't made a Final Four since 1995 or so, so it's not like Texas was an annual championship contender back in 2007-08 when Engle was being recruited. Engle definitely opened the floodgates for Texas, and not just in California. Based on the talent and population in Texas, a lot of coaches leading many of our programs did not even bother recruiting out-of state. Jerritt really has taken things to a new level, and his hard work on the recruiting trail should be a model for our other head coaches who don't quite get it. Since Jerritt's arrival, he has signed players from Croatia, Puerto Rico, Nevada, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan, Ohio, Arizona, California, Arkansas, Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, and soon Missouri. While finishing second for a recruit doesn't mean much, he has also come close to landing some other big fish. I'm sure he learned valuable lessons with each player he recruited who ended up signing elsewhere.
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Post by dukelaw on Mar 27, 2015 13:34:19 GMT -5
Congratulations for demonstrating you know little about 2 subjects,
Texas Volleyball & Texas Politics.
PS - Micky Haley and Wendy Davis say hey.
I knew that would get your goat. I guess I should have put /sarc after it. No need for the personal attack. I have not commented on your intelligence. No need to comment on mine without a source or citation to support your assertion. Stay classy. Seriously you are a horse's behind. You take digs at everybody and when they respond you tell them to "stay classy"? Earlier in this thread, someone troll posts that the team can't pass and instead of attacking the troll you say that the responder is disrespectful? Give me a break. I'm tired of you saying English is your second language and using it as a cloak while then attacking other people's use of English. You attack other people and then claim that they are attacking you when they respond. Give it a rest. As for the rest of this thread. Yes, Rose is a better coach. Elliott is a great recruiter. Most Texas fans (and the current AD) will take what we get (Final 4 with a shot at the title). Most other schools (except Penn State obviously and probably Stanford/Nebraska/Washington) would die to be in our shoes. The Final Four losses hurt but if we get a title every now and then, it's good enough for me. Austin is a great city. Totally can see why the San Diego girls would like it. Similar in many ways. Even in football recruiting, Texas had links to San Diego (think Ricky Williams). I love the Bay Area but if you go to the Stanford campus in the summer, it's a lot of brown.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2015 13:58:23 GMT -5
I knew that would get your goat. I guess I should have put /sarc after it. No need for the personal attack. I have not commented on your intelligence. No need to comment on mine without a source or citation to support your assertion. Stay classy. Seriously you are a horse's behind. You take digs at everybody and when they respond you tell them to "stay classy"? Earlier in this thread, someone troll posts that the team can't pass and instead of attacking the troll you say that the responder is disrespectful? Give me a break. I'm tired of you saying English is your second language and using it as a cloak while then attacking other people's use of English. You attack other people and then claim that they are attacking you when they respond. Give it a rest. As for the rest of this thread. Yes, Rose is a better coach. Elliott is a great recruiter. Most Texas fans (and the current AD) will take what we get (Final 4 with a shot at the title). Most other schools (except Penn State obviously and probably Stanford/Nebraska/Washington) would die to be in our shoes. The Final Four losses hurt but if we get a title every now and then, it's good enough for me. Austin is a great city. Totally can see why the San Diego girls would like it. Similar in many ways. Even in football recruiting, Texas had links to San Diego (think Ricky Williams). I love the Bay Area but if you go to the Stanford campus in the summer, it's a lot of brown. Please quote the "digs". I do not know what you are talking about. You accuse me of saying English is my second language, please source. English is my first language. You other points are valid but I would say football is different than volleyball. Please look at the graduation rates of women's volleyball players compared to Football players. I would argue that you can make the assumption that the significant difference in these rates, can imply that the education portion of the volleyball scholarship holds a higher value to the athlete, than the football athlete. To me that would imply, that the perceived VALUE of education should play an important decision in every women's school decision (between competitive teams). Off topic, but this is why I think ND will see the final four in the next four years. Give a source of your assertion about me. There is none. I do not speak english well, but it is my first language and would never say it was not. Please cite what makes you say "I'm tired of you saying English is your second language and using it as a cloak". Do you feel my screen name sounds foreign? I am not sure when you have seen Stanford's campus be all brown in the summer? I think you might be referring to the hills around Palo Alto? Campus is quite green. It is quite large and forested but the grounds are green all summer.
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Post by jsn112 on Mar 27, 2015 14:18:34 GMT -5
Could part of reason she chose Texas is because it's closer to home and her family and not across the country. That can play big part for some athletes It does not matter that Penn St is across the country, it is just hard to get to period. It is not near a major airport (Harrisburg is not a major airport) and if you do fly non-stop to a major airport you have to drive several hours to get there.
If you choose PSU it is for Rose and the chance to win Championship(s)!
Uhh..., there are planes that fly from a major airport (e.g., Baltimore) to State College like United or US Airways for instance. So you don't have to drive for several hours in a car (or on a horse and buggy).
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Post by Wahinevball1234 on Mar 27, 2015 15:40:26 GMT -5
I really do not understand why people continue to go to Texas over somewhere like Penn State or SC. I feel like there is no way Texas should only have two National titles with all the recruiting talent. I think Jerritt is an amazing recruiter but not great as a coach. Womens volleyball is all about passing and defense and what is it that Texas teams can never do? For proof watch Destinee Hooker shank the easy ball to blow a 2-0 lead in the NCAA finals.
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Post by southie on Mar 27, 2015 15:46:29 GMT -5
I really do not understand why people continue to go to Texas over somewhere like Penn State or SC. I feel like there is no way Texas should only have two National titles with all the recruiting talent. I think Jerritt is an amazing recruiter but not great as a coach. Womens volleyball is all about passing and defense and what is it that Texas teams can never do? For proof watch Destinee Hooker shank the easy ball to blow a 2-0 lead in the NCAA finals. You don't understand because you are obviously dense. Not every single volleyball player can attend Penn State, nor does every player want to. Texas and Jerritt have left USC and Mick eating our dust, and that isn't going to change any time soon; we have outperformed USC the last 3 years, and the gap is widening. Accept it.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 27, 2015 15:47:55 GMT -5
I really do not understand why people continue to go to Texas over somewhere like Penn State or SC. I feel like there is no way Texas should only have two National titles with all the recruiting talent. I think Jerritt is an amazing recruiter but not great as a coach. Womens volleyball is all about passing and defense and what is it that Texas teams can never do? For proof watch Destinee Hooker shank the easy ball to blow a 2-0 lead in the NCAA finals. Great post. I am laughing my .... off.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Mar 27, 2015 16:52:15 GMT -5
I really do not understand why people continue to go to Texas over somewhere like Penn State or SC. I feel like there is no way Texas should only have two National titles with all the recruiting talent. I think Jerritt is an amazing recruiter but not great as a coach. Womens volleyball is all about passing and defense and what is it that Texas teams can never do? For proof watch Destinee Hooker shank the easy ball to blow a 2-0 lead in the NCAA finals. You don't understand because you are obviously dense. Not every single volleyball player can attend Penn State, nor does every player want to. Texas and Jerritt have left USC and Mick eating our dust, and that isn't going to change any time soon; we have outperformed USC the last 3 years, and the gap is widening. Accept it. I would ask the poster that if the whole game is passing and defense, and Texas can't do it all, how are they so ridiculously successful? Puzzling.
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Post by zenyada on Mar 27, 2015 20:01:03 GMT -5
Texas is going to drain Calif of some of its best players. Jerritt is a great recruiter. ...errr Ebony Nawanebu; Sara Shaw; Lauren Williams. Heard of any of these girls? Thats just USC. Texas,the state is providing plenty of players to California schools. Jerrit got a star player here, but to think this is a trend, or to annoint him top recruiter after Rose seems silly if you do the math.
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Post by trojansc on Mar 27, 2015 20:32:25 GMT -5
Texas, USC, Penn State, Stanford, UCLA..
I wouldn't be surprised if any recruit changed their pick between these 5 school. Both have been historically dominant in volleyball, arguably the top 5 programs I'd say. Academically you cannot go wrong with any one. For the past decade, Almost every year each one puts out a national championship caliber team.
Thats no disrespect to Hawaii, LBSU, Nebraska, Pacific who had titles but Harder to recruit to. Pacific and LBSU are a little outdated.
Texas and Penn St are the two top volleyball programs right now. Texas in 5 of the last 6 Final Fours and Penn State in 7 of the last 8 Final Fours. No doubt about it.
The whole Mick vs. Elliot and Texas vs. USC thing is pointless. Both are great coaches and recruiters. Both have beaten each other in the NCAA tournament. Mick won a title at Texas , Jerrit did not win a title at USC but recruited some of the players on the 2002+2003 USC squads.
I'll give you that Texas has been overall better for the past three years. 2012 and 2014 for sure. 2013 I'm not so sure, I wish Texas could have came to USC instead of Washington. That would have been a fun re-match.
As for the gap is widening, we will see. Mick stole a stud in Nwanebu from Texas, so unfortunate for her injury. Also Crone was setting very well for USC prior to her injury senior year. Combine that with losing Libero, MH1, OH2 which included 67% of passing and a ton of digs. Rough year for SC but the talent is there and Mick has rebounded from rough seasons before.
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Post by vbprisoner on Mar 27, 2015 23:12:57 GMT -5
I really do not understand why people continue to go to Texas over somewhere like Penn State or SC. I feel like there is no way Texas should only have two National titles with all the recruiting talent. I think Jerritt is an amazing recruiter but not great as a coach. Womens volleyball is all about passing and defense and what is it that Texas teams can never do? For proof watch Destinee Hooker shank the easy ball to blow a 2-0 lead in the NCAA finals. bigfan.......is that you? ?
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Post by bigfan on Mar 28, 2015 11:06:33 GMT -5
As for the gap is widening, we will see. Mick stole a stud in Nwanebu from Texas, so unfortunate for her injury. Also Crone was setting very well for USC prior to her injury senior year. Combine that with losing Libero, MH1, OH2 which included 67% of passing and a ton of digs. Rough year for SC but the talent is there and Mick has rebounded from rough seasons before. Amen.............you are preaching the truth.
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Post by bigfan on Mar 28, 2015 11:31:14 GMT -5
I am not sure when you have seen Stanford's campus be all brown in the summer? I think you might be referring to the hills around Palo Alto? Campus is quite green. It is quite large and forested but the grounds are green all summer. So long.
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Post by southie on Mar 28, 2015 11:32:53 GMT -5
Texas, USC, Penn State, Stanford, UCLA.. I wouldn't be surprised if any recruit changed their pick between these 5 school. Better keep close tabs on Kahlia Lanier. She committed before USC's disastrous 2014 season. Probably attended several of those embarrassing losses at the Galen Center, too. If Mick were to lose her commitment before November's signing day, that could be the final nail in the coffin.
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