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Post by volleytology on Aug 5, 2015 19:21:24 GMT -5
Some have written that actions by Ken Murczek have no place in college athletics. Others on this thread have downplayed and/or defended him. No longer surprised by that as some are defending/reasoning Rick Butler's past actions. I'm not saying it's the same people. Just saying some are. I'm no psychologist, but rationalizing systematic abuse is most likely a defense mechanism. You see it commonly among victims of abuse themselves, who haven't been able to confront the situation or the implications. There's no other reason I can imagine to justify the actions of predators. Abuse is the most overplayed word nowadays. If there was real abuse, he would not still be employed. No one can afford a lawsuit
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Post by netdirector on Aug 6, 2015 9:15:10 GMT -5
I'm no psychologist, but rationalizing systematic abuse is most likely a defense mechanism. You see it commonly among victims of abuse themselves, who haven't been able to confront the situation or the implications. There's no other reason I can imagine to justify the actions of predators. Abuse is the most overplayed word nowadays. If there was real abuse, he would not still be employed. No one can afford a lawsuit That's a ridiculous premise. That's like saying, "If there's real abuse, but he's not caught, then it must not be real abuse." What???
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Post by bc1900 on Aug 6, 2015 12:14:02 GMT -5
I'm no psychologist, but rationalizing systematic abuse is most likely a defense mechanism. You see it commonly among victims of abuse themselves, who haven't been able to confront the situation or the implications. There's no other reason I can imagine to justify the actions of predators. Abuse is the most overplayed word nowadays. If there was real abuse, he would not still be employed. No one can afford a lawsuit Yes, because every instance of "real" abuse results in either a conviction or lawsuit. Ridiculous.
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Post by vbfamm on Aug 6, 2015 16:54:12 GMT -5
Volleytology, exactly what actions/behaviors by a coach would you consider abuse? For that matter it would be interesting to learn what other VB coaches on this board consider crossing the line.
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Post by kodiak on Aug 6, 2015 17:57:24 GMT -5
one player's abuse is another player's motivation; IMO, only those who have "been in the ring" have a credible vote. Our media (sadly) will only go with wins and perceived outrageous behavior. The other 98% toils in obscurity, finding themselves and their abilities to perform as administration, coaches & players within the volleyball world we all love and appreciate. Just as 'political correctness" has no place in reality (other than humor), sports preparation and competition at every level provides life lessons unavailable in any other arena. We will always protect when we can, provide guidance and direction when allowed, but it is an expanding world, most out of our reach. (I still cringe at today's language normality- and preach its a combination of ignorance and laziness in communication skills)(sound of soapbox collapsing)
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Post by vbfamm on Aug 7, 2015 9:54:30 GMT -5
Kodiak and others please excuse what I am about to reply as I do it only to prove a point... "Kodiak that was a F___ing stupid answer. Are you F____ing retarded? Your answer Kodiak is making me look F___ing bad? That is how Ken often coached the last several seasons at UNT and Wake. I see nothing motivating by the above no matter what type personality a player is. I agree language like that does make people cringe. That is why I suggest it is not motivating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 10:12:07 GMT -5
Kodiak and others please excuse what I am about to reply as I do it only to prove a point... "Kodiak that was a F___ing stupid answer. Are you F____ing retarded? Your answer Kodiak is making me look F___ing bad? That is how Ken often coached the last several seasons at UNT and Wake. I see nothing motivating by the above no matter what type personality a player is. I agree language like that does make people cringe. That is why I suggest it is not motivating. vbfamm - Aren't we trying to eradicate the R-word? But then again there is President-elect Donald Trump's position on being PC. Isn't this physically abusive language and tone. I take offense to this and think you should be banned from this forum. I will call the Volleytalk Administration and if I don't hear a response. I'm going to ESPN OTL. 'Murica. Haha. TGIF.
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Post by bc1900 on Aug 7, 2015 11:15:07 GMT -5
one player's abuse is another player's motivation; IMO, only those who have "been in the ring" have a credible vote... Is your point that unless you've been a coach, you have no right to criticize any coach? If so, I call BS. If I'm not a doctor I'm not allowed to question any doctor's diagnosis, correct? If I'm not a priest I'm not allowed to question any priest's interpretation of the bible, correct? If I've never served in congress I'm not allowed to question the actions of my congressman, correct? That's an absurd and self-serving position.
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Post by kodiak on Aug 7, 2015 12:07:04 GMT -5
I do apologize for my lack of communication skills- I would never imply "only a killer can judge a killer" mentality. IMO, experience (participated, trained, competed in the athletic world) better qualifies one to pass judgement on the location of that proverbial Line. Just as military experience, IMO, better qualifies one to judge military issues. Any fool can criticize ad nauseum, I know I can and do. With age, I find myself trying to withhold opinion/qualify my opinion until I know as much factual info I can gather, including inputs from people I respect (proven, experienced). Makes sense to me.
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Post by onfiya on Aug 7, 2015 16:17:41 GMT -5
Kodiak and others please excuse what I am about to reply as I do it only to prove a point... "Kodiak that was a F___ing stupid answer. Are you F____ing retarded? Your answer Kodiak is making me look F___ing bad? That is how Ken often coached the last several seasons at UNT and Wake. I see nothing motivating by the above no matter what type personality a player is. I agree language like that does make people cringe. That is why I suggest it is not motivating. vbfamm - Aren't we trying to eradicate the R-word? But then again there is President-elect Donald Trump's position on being PC. Isn't this physically abusive language and tone. I take offense to this and think you should be banned from this forum. I will call the Volleytalk Administration and if I don't hear a response. I'm going to ESPN OTL. 'Murica. Haha. TGIF. I think you might have missed the point. "F*#%ing Retard" WAS Ken's nickname for one of his players. High class. Dear Wake Forest, You still have time to take out the trash. Fire this loser! Don't be USAV and JVA and sit by, allowing a predator to abuse your young female athletes for years. Take action.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2015 17:42:30 GMT -5
vbfamm - Aren't we trying to eradicate the R-word? But then again there is President-elect Donald Trump's position on being PC. Isn't this physically abusive language and tone. I take offense to this and think you should be banned from this forum. I will call the Volleytalk Administration and if I don't hear a response. I'm going to ESPN OTL. 'Murica. Haha. TGIF. I think you might have missed the point. "F*#%ing Retard" WAS Ken's nickname for one of his players. High class. Dear Wake Forest, You still have time to take out the trash. Fire this loser! Don't be USAV and JVA and sit by, allowing a predator to abuse your young female athletes for years. Take action. Haha. I didn't miss the point. I still like the symbols for one word and not the R-word. Well played. I don't think it is nice to call someone a loser.
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Post by vbfamm on Nov 25, 2015 11:13:10 GMT -5
It’s been about a year since the absurd behavior of Ken Murczek caused a nearly team wide player revolt. Some changes took place but so many months later the program is still underwater. Can a program be successful when there is a disconnect between a team’s head coach and players?
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Post by moody on Nov 25, 2015 11:45:44 GMT -5
It’s been about a year since the absurd behavior of Ken Murczek caused a nearly team wide player revolt. Some changes took place but so many months later the program is still underwater. Can a program be successful when there is a disconnect between a team’s head coach and players? NO
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 25, 2015 12:44:22 GMT -5
That's a trick question, right?
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Post by jumboshrimp on Nov 25, 2015 14:04:53 GMT -5
Stop beating Mr. Ed! This is an old story. Let it play out in Winston Salem. If it doesn't work, the Deacons will make a change. This is stupid, unless there is something new to share.
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