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Post by jcvball22 on Nov 25, 2015 14:14:09 GMT -5
Stop beating Mr. Ed! This is an old story. Let it play out in Winston Salem. If it doesn't work, the Deacons will make a change. This is stupid, unless there is something new to share. Oh, come on now! Those axes aren't going to grind themselves! I am guessing we haven't heard anything because they resolved the situation. Just a thought. Poor Mr Ed would love a break.
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Post by digs4days on Nov 25, 2015 15:04:20 GMT -5
Someone has an axe to grind by bringing up a story that is in the past and over with. Any group of athletes could band together to create a charade in order to get a staff fired! I'm not saying that the alleged abuse was a lie but what I am saying is there was obviously no solid proof on the matter! Bottom line is they are children! Children lie/exhagerrate ALL THE TIME to get what they want! If after an investigation was completed and the coach still has a job then clearly there was not enough evidence to substantiate the claims. Last time I checked we lived in a society that everyone is "innocent until proven guilty"?!?! He wasn't proven guilty so GET OVER IT!
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Post by n00b on Apr 6, 2016 17:15:46 GMT -5
One of the players that quit published an article on The Tab (I'm not even sure what that is)... thetab.com/us/wakeforest/2016/04/04/leaving-volleyball-team-best-decision-life-110I know I'll get accused of digging up an old thread, but this is certainly new information and to me helps the coach's case. If what is described in the article is the worst of the "abuse", then there are plenty of worse coaches in the country.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Apr 6, 2016 20:52:13 GMT -5
Huh. Interesting piece.
The more one knows about this case the more no one involved comes out looking good.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Apr 6, 2016 21:42:10 GMT -5
One of the players that quit published an article on The Tab (I'm not even sure what that is)... thetab.com/us/wakeforest/2016/04/04/leaving-volleyball-team-best-decision-life-110I know I'll get accused of digging up an old thread, but this is certainly new information and to me helps the coach's case. If what is described in the article is the worst of the "abuse", then there are plenty of worse coaches in the country. Those stories, if true, are not good. Crazy punishments, weird consequences.
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Post by n00b on Apr 6, 2016 21:48:18 GMT -5
One of the players that quit published an article on The Tab (I'm not even sure what that is)... thetab.com/us/wakeforest/2016/04/04/leaving-volleyball-team-best-decision-life-110I know I'll get accused of digging up an old thread, but this is certainly new information and to me helps the coach's case. If what is described in the article is the worst of the "abuse", then there are plenty of worse coaches in the country. Those stories, if true, are not good. Crazy punishments, weird consequences. Agreed. Not good. Weird. Not somebody I'd want to play for. But not abusive in my opinion.
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Post by volleyup1 on Apr 6, 2016 22:27:18 GMT -5
Not abusive. what if it was your child. How would you handle it.
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Post by imdunn on Apr 6, 2016 22:51:42 GMT -5
I am horrified at some of the comments supporting this culture of demeaning and denigrating "style" of coaching. Are we really at the point where we can look the other way? No workplace with any dignity would allow this behavior. No parent would allow this type of attack on one of their children in any other setting. And just for the record, I am not in support of a "trophy for every participant" world either. Sports at this level is not for the weak nor should it be. These athletes do not get to this point by settling for mediocre performance or results. Direct and vigorous criticism comes with the territory AND it is not acceptable to accompany that with mean spirited torment.
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Post by wayout on Apr 7, 2016 8:45:08 GMT -5
I in no way agree with degrading players, and the punishment described seems harsh, but if it only happened one time maybe the coach was trying to make a point. I think that until you are a coach and your livelihood is essentially in the hands of 18-21 year olds you can not possibly understand the stress that comes when players show up to practice unfocused and not wanting to work hard. Especially at the D1 level where winning may be the key to keeping your job.
My personal approach is ask nicely, ask sternly and if I still haven't gotten your attention then I we usually do some form of physical exercise to get their attention. If it is one player that doesn't want to get on board then I have no problem kicking them out of practice. The few times I have had to do that I have had really positive experiences with those players. They seem to come back refocused and realizing that I mean business.
I also tell all my recruits they should expect to leave practice pissed off at me on more then one occasion. If they are always happy with me then I am not pushing them.
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Post by wayout on Apr 7, 2016 8:48:06 GMT -5
I am horrified at some of the comments supporting this culture of demeaning and denigrating "style" of coaching. Are we really at the point where we can look the other way? No workplace with any dignity would allow this behavior. No parent would allow this type of attack on one of their children in any other setting. And just for the record, I am not in support of a "trophy for every participant" world either. Sports at this level is not for the weak nor should it be. These athletes do not get to this point by settling for mediocre performance or results. Direct and vigorous criticism comes with the territory AND it is not acceptable to accompany that with mean spirited torment. There are actually a lot of work places that treat their employees very poorly and degrade and demean them, companies that you probably frequent. Watch undercover boss sometime.
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Post by n00b on Apr 7, 2016 11:34:17 GMT -5
I am horrified at some of the comments supporting this culture of demeaning and denigrating "style" of coaching. Are we really at the point where we can look the other way? Who here has supported him? Saying I don't think it's abuse is not support. He was mean. He made people's lives unpleasant. That doesn't mean that he caused serious physical or emotional harm to anybody. A workplace also cannot require 6am conditioning. The workplace comparisons make no sense to me. Plenty of athletes get to division 1 volleyball settling for mediocre performance and results. You think the lazy kid that touches 10-4 doesn't get scholarship offers? I'm not saying this applies here, just that you are arguing on a false premise.
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Post by n00b on Apr 7, 2016 11:40:21 GMT -5
Not abusive. what if it was your child. How would you handle it. For the record, these aren't children. These are adults. But, I'd help her through her choices. Stay on the team; stay at the school but off the team; or transfer. People are mistaking my "not abusive" argument for saying "this is the right way to coach" or "the kid should suck it up". Neither of those are true.
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Post by VB48 on Apr 7, 2016 12:11:25 GMT -5
Not abusive. what if it was your child. How would you handle it. For the record, these aren't children. These are adults. But, I'd help her through her choices. Stay on the team; stay at the school but off the team; or transfer. People are mistaking my "not abusive" argument for saying "this is the right way to coach" or "the kid should suck it up". Neither of those are true. Strictly based on her article, I would not want to play for this coach, but this is not abuse imo.
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Post by imdunn on Apr 7, 2016 19:47:50 GMT -5
Good points (mostly). Just to clarify a couple of my statements and then I will stop posting because I am a noob and don't know how to quote a prior response properly. I realize that collegiate athletes are adults but my child will always be my child regardless of the age - sorry for the confusion. Totally agree that you don't have to look far to find an employer that treats employees poorly - that's why I added the caveat "No workplace with any dignity". Maybe it's a bad analogy comparing the workplace with college students (my own bias since I draw on my work experience), but my point is that high performing organizations are generally successful because they recruit the best talent. The best talent doesn't migrate to institutions with a poor reputation. Lastly, the comment about mediocrity is that my assumption, maybe wrong, is that a D1 athlete is among the top 2% of high school athletes and somehow that doesn't seem like mediocrity. Hype, bad recruiting, etc. could all be arguments for why a mediocre athlete gets a scholarship. I was thinking in general that a high percentage of these athletes are top performers. Always exceptions to the rule.
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Post by VB48 on Apr 7, 2016 21:37:05 GMT -5
Good points (mostly). Just to clarify a couple of my statements and then I will stop posting because I am a noob and don't know how to quote a prior response properly. I realize that collegiate athletes are adults but my child will always be my child regardless of the age - sorry for the confusion. Totally agree that you don't have to look far to find an employer that treats employees poorly - that's why I added the caveat "No workplace with any dignity". Maybe it's a bad analogy comparing the workplace with college students (my own bias since I draw on my work experience), but my point is that high performing organizations are generally successful because they recruit the best talent. The best talent doesn't migrate to institutions with a poor reputation. Lastly, the comment about mediocrity is that my assumption, maybe wrong, is that a D1 athlete is among the top 2% of high school athletes and somehow that doesn't seem like mediocrity. Hype, bad recruiting, etc. could all be arguments for why a mediocre athlete gets a scholarship. I was thinking in general that a high percentage of these athletes are top performers. Always exceptions to the rule. The workplace is not the best comparison. I have never played for a coach that did not do some yelling at practice daily. I have never worked for anyone that does.
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