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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 16:05:07 GMT -5
C4ndle will probably tell you that you're not a middle to understand his point, but I know what you're getting at in your observations and experiences as a setter. I saw something similar when I suffered through a college football bowl game this past season. Everyone in the room blamed the QB for not properly locating a certain receiver, who was known to be much faster than the other catchers. I remember the receiver making gestures to throw the ball farther, similar to Foluke's signals to Glass that the ball needs to be much higher. C4ndlelight is probably the only person i respect THE most on this board. Ugh I know right isn't he the best <3
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Post by volleyguy on May 21, 2015 16:19:23 GMT -5
I get that - and I also think that's what the setters are doing to Foluke. I just struggle to accept that over a half-dozen world elite setters (over the 7+ years she's been playing internationally) have all been consistently setting her "wrong" (not that they never gave her a bad set, but that they set her poorly as a matter of course). If they're all doing it, and her hitting percentage is as high as it is, then it's a feature and not a bug. Oh, I don't disagree at all. I was speaking generally about setter/hitter connections, particularly quick hitters. I don't think Foluke has connection issues with her setters. I'm with you on this. The whole "it's always the setter's fault" idea only works if you assume the set is the only variable. There are actually a number of independent variables at work. The frequency of misconnects with Foluke by not only different good setters, but consistently by the same setter as well, suggests that maybe it's not solely the setter that is responsible.
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Post by kokyu on May 21, 2015 16:50:47 GMT -5
I wish TomKom would've set her as fast as but a little higher than she set Pleumjit.
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Post by nativevolley on May 21, 2015 18:35:37 GMT -5
As a setter myself, I would love to set Foluke and see where the miss-connection lays. It is too high or too low...? Mystery...
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 21, 2015 21:48:55 GMT -5
Am I missing something, has Foluke had a hard time killing the ball at any level? I mean I am sure she has in a match, a tournament, but overall she has always been an offensive machine. Is she the best "bad set" hitter of all-time or are there a lot of people making something about nothing?
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Post by chisovnik on May 21, 2015 22:35:39 GMT -5
Robinson's passing and defense were nothing to write home about last season. Vansant's definitely not beating out Larson or Hill, but she's definitely capable of beating out Robinson. Weird, considering she trained in Anaheim as a libero during college... Guess you see something that the staff doesn't. Why are you getting so defensive for her?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 5:32:23 GMT -5
Weird, considering she trained in Anaheim as a libero during college... Guess you see something that the staff doesn't. Why are you getting so defensive for her? I'm just pointing out the overexaggeration/unsupported criticism in your post with sarcasm.
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Post by chisovnik on May 22, 2015 7:23:56 GMT -5
Why are you getting so defensive for her? I'm just pointing out the overexaggeration/unsupported criticism in your post with sarcasm. I'm not over-exaggerating anything. Her passing during the last WC was not that great. We talked about it a lot on here.
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Post by nothingbutcorn on May 22, 2015 7:44:32 GMT -5
Foluke was the 2007 AVCA Player of the year. Was MVP of the WGP in 2010? Maybe it a combination of both hitter, and setter.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 7:46:18 GMT -5
I'm just pointing out the overexaggeration/unsupported criticism in your post with sarcasm. I'm not over-exaggerating anything. Her passing during the last WC was not that great. We talked about it a lot on here. But you are. Another poster posted links to DataVolley stats from several WCh matches last summer where she passed very well; did you see those? That, and her defense, are easily her best skills.
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Post by kc8413 on May 22, 2015 9:35:04 GMT -5
Anyone going to the scrimmage tonight? Would like updates! Interested to see if Kim Hill and Klineman will be there.
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Post by joetrinsey on May 22, 2015 10:56:16 GMT -5
Anyone going to the scrimmage tonight? Would like updates! Interested to see if Kim Hill and Klineman will be there. They won't be in until next week. If anybody at the match is streaming and texts me the link, I'll post it up here. Should be a fun match. Last time we went out to the Rancho area, we had a really good crowd. Courtney Thompson back in action tonight. Maybe we'll see a little of this? vine.co/v/eAx1qpAZPYm
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Post by volleyguy on May 22, 2015 11:38:13 GMT -5
Am I missing something, has Foluke had a hard time killing the ball at any level? I mean I am sure she has in a match, a tournament, but overall she has always been an offensive machine. Is she the best "bad set" hitter of all-time or are there a lot of people making something about nothing? The discussion about set location with Foluke is in the context of her being one of the top three middles in the world. No one so much as hinted that she wasn't. The discussion is about what could be if whatever is happening on those occasional, but consistent, misconnects weren't happening as much.
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Post by kc8413 on May 22, 2015 11:43:44 GMT -5
Anyone going to the scrimmage tonight? Would like updates! Interested to see if Kim Hill and Klineman will be there. They won't be in until next week. If anybody at the match is streaming and texts me the link, I'll post it up here. Should be a fun match. Last time we went out to the Rancho area, we had a really good crowd. Courtney Thompson back in action tonight. Maybe we'll see a little of this? https://vine.co/v/eAx1qpAZPYmIf it's alright with you, I'm going to make another thread for the scrimmage tonight so updates aren't lost in this thread. Thanks!
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Post by Reach on May 22, 2015 11:45:23 GMT -5
guys, Foluke sucks. next.
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