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Post by c4ndlelight on May 21, 2015 8:55:16 GMT -5
Let me get this straight, I don't think there's any huge problem connecting with Foluke. She gets tons of kills and is terribly efficient. But if you were to say there were such a gigantic problem, is it really the setter's problem if EVERY setter has it? it ain't rocket science. if your middle jumps out of the gym are you going to set her A. low or B.high? as a setter i have been talked to by my middle if my setting was too low or if other setters in the gym observed that my setting was too low they would communicate their observations also. if you're not a setter then you wouldn't understand that it's the setters fault and if you are a hitter more so you would understand this. i mean is everyone blind? can people not see that when the setting is too low and the hitter is hitting by their ear or dinking the ball consistently that the problem are the sets. the problem in this case is that the setters play with hitters that don't jump as high as foluke and release the ball with less force because that's what they are used to their brain hasn't made the adjustment it's called habit. did anyone see in one of the tournaments foluke made a thumbs up to glass and said "higher"? glass adjusted the set and everything was fine.some people need to remember those times when you keep getting low sets and how frustrating it was. even commentators will say "the set was too low". when you set the ball too low you are setting the hitter up for failure. It's all the setter's fault? The middle plays no part in the quality of the connection in the front quick? You can set those balls at 11 feet to hit a player's highest contact point, but if that middle isn't consistent timing and spacing her approach those connections aren't even going to be connections. On the whole, Foluke is getting sets that allow her to consistently make contact and score. There are, on occasion, sets that are "too low," as there will be sets that are too high or too far off the net, because setters make mistakes (those bastards!). But the setters you are criticizing, who are among the best in the world and can easily adjust set height if it were to make them more successful, are setting such that Foluke can be a ridiculously effective offensive force.
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Post by Reach on May 21, 2015 10:24:48 GMT -5
I though skorupa had a solid connection with foluke. That's all.
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 21, 2015 10:28:07 GMT -5
Dorothy I would count Larson as one of your 3-4 players. As a better player, yes.
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Post by Reach on May 21, 2015 10:29:50 GMT -5
Dorothy I would count Larson as one of your 3-4 players. As a better player, yes. I think leaving hodge off the roster is really scary without hooker. Hodge could even convert to opposite of we need her to. Her athleticism is unmatched on the pins without Hook
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 21, 2015 10:44:39 GMT -5
I think leaving hodge off the roster is really scary without hooker. Hodge could even convert to opposite of we need her to. Her athleticism is unmatched on the pins without Hook It remains to be seen where she is at right now after a significant amount of time off and having a baby, but I agree with you
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Post by joetrinsey on May 21, 2015 10:50:33 GMT -5
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Post by ballervolley on May 21, 2015 11:39:51 GMT -5
it ain't rocket science. if your middle jumps out of the gym are you going to set her A. low or B.high? as a setter i have been talked to by my middle if my setting was too low or if other setters in the gym observed that my setting was too low they would communicate their observations also. if you're not a setter then you wouldn't understand that it's the setters fault and if you are a hitter more so you would understand this. i mean is everyone blind? can people not see that when the setting is too low and the hitter is hitting by their ear or dinking the ball consistently that the problem are the sets. the problem in this case is that the setters play with hitters that don't jump as high as foluke and release the ball with less force because that's what they are used to their brain hasn't made the adjustment it's called habit. did anyone see in one of the tournaments foluke made a thumbs up to glass and said "higher"? glass adjusted the set and everything was fine.some people need to remember those times when you keep getting low sets and how frustrating it was. even commentators will say "the set was too low". when you set the ball too low you are setting the hitter up for failure. It's all the setter's fault? The middle plays no part in the quality of the connection in the front quick? You can set those balls at 11 feet to hit a player's highest contact point, but if that middle isn't consistent timing and spacing her approach those connections aren't even going to be connections. On the whole, Foluke is getting sets that allow her to consistently make contact and score. There are, on occasion, sets that are "too low," as there will be sets that are too high or too far off the net, because setters make mistakes (those bastards!). But the setters you are criticizing, who are among the best in the world and can easily adjust set height if it were to make them more successful, are setting such that Foluke can be a ridiculously effective offensive force. you wouldn't understand you're not a setter
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Post by #skoskers on May 21, 2015 12:03:51 GMT -5
It's all the setter's fault? The middle plays no part in the quality of the connection in the front quick? You can set those balls at 11 feet to hit a player's highest contact point, but if that middle isn't consistent timing and spacing her approach those connections aren't even going to be connections. On the whole, Foluke is getting sets that allow her to consistently make contact and score. There are, on occasion, sets that are "too low," as there will be sets that are too high or too far off the net, because setters make mistakes (those bastards!). But the setters you are criticizing, who are among the best in the world and can easily adjust set height if it were to make them more successful, are setting such that Foluke can be a ridiculously effective offensive force. you wouldn't understand you're not a setter C4ndle will probably tell you that you're not a middle to understand his point, but I know what you're getting at in your observations and experiences as a setter. I saw something similar when I suffered through a college football bowl game this past season. Everyone in the room blamed the QB for not properly locating a certain receiver, who was known to be much faster than the other catchers. I remember the receiver making gestures to throw the ball farther, similar to Foluke's signals to Glass that the ball needs to be much higher.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:07:54 GMT -5
I think most people think that her reception will be her biggest issue professionally. That, and her lack of pace on the ball. Saying that she can pass and defend as well as Larson, Hill, and Robinson really isn't accurate. Robinson's passing and defense were nothing to write home about last season. Vansant's definitely not beating out Larson or Hill, but she's definitely capable of beating out Robinson. Weird, considering she trained in Anaheim as a libero during college... Guess you see something that the staff doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:15:29 GMT -5
it ain't rocket science. if your middle jumps out of the gym are you going to set her A. low or B.high? as a setter i have been talked to by my middle if my setting was too low or if other setters in the gym observed that my setting was too low they would communicate their observations also. if you're not a setter then you wouldn't understand that it's the setters fault and if you are a hitter more so you would understand this. i mean is everyone blind? can people not see that when the setting is too low and the hitter is hitting by their ear or dinking the ball consistently that the problem are the sets. the problem in this case is that the setters play with hitters that don't jump as high as foluke and release the ball with less force because that's what they are used to their brain hasn't made the adjustment it's called habit. did anyone see in one of the tournaments foluke made a thumbs up to glass and said "higher"? glass adjusted the set and everything was fine.some people need to remember those times when you keep getting low sets and how frustrating it was. even commentators will say "the set was too low". when you set the ball too low you are setting the hitter up for failure. It's all the setter's fault? Philosophically, yeah. It's the job of the setter to win, and they do that by creating positive attack opportunities for her hitters, and that means giving them the ball they need in each situation. It's not always the same ball. ...which leads back to the setter and her ability to "feel" her attacker, see them out of her periphery, and adjust the timing/tempo/location of the ball based on what they'll need in that situation to score. Sometimes they're late, early, sometimes they judged the quality of the pass incorrectly and they're out of position, or sometimes they didn't max jump, or maybe they did, etc. Obviously you train the middle to be as consistent as possible, and communicate efficiently and often during the play and after, but most connection issues relating to tempo, timing, location of the quick attack is the fault of the setter.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:16:10 GMT -5
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Post by ballervolley on May 21, 2015 15:23:16 GMT -5
you wouldn't understand you're not a setter C4ndle will probably tell you that you're not a middle to understand his point, but I know what you're getting at in your observations and experiences as a setter. I saw something similar when I suffered through a college football bowl game this past season. Everyone in the room blamed the QB for not properly locating a certain receiver, who was known to be much faster than the other catchers. I remember the receiver making gestures to throw the ball farther, similar to Foluke's signals to Glass that the ball needs to be much higher. that's ok i'm not going to argue anymore. C4ndlelight is probably the only person i respect THE most on this board. we have a difference of opinion and i'm not going to go in circles debating who's right or wrong.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 21, 2015 15:29:30 GMT -5
It's all the setter's fault? Philosophically, yeah. It's the job of the setter to win, and they do that by creating positive attack opportunities for her hitters, and that means giving them the ball they need in each situation. It's not always the same ball. ...which leads back to the setter and her ability to "feel" her attacker, see them out of her periphery, and adjust the timing/tempo/location of the ball based on what they'll need in that situation to score. Obviously you train the middle to be as consistent as possible, and communicate efficiently and often during the play and after, but most connection issues relating to tempo, timing, location of the quick attack is the fault of the setter. I get that - and I also think that's what the setters are doing to Foluke. I just struggle to accept that over a half-dozen world elite setters (over the 7+ years she's been playing internationally) have all been consistently setting her "wrong" (not that they never gave her a bad set, but that they set her poorly as a matter of course). If they're all doing it, and her hitting percentage is as high as it is, then it's a feature and not a bug.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 21, 2015 15:29:54 GMT -5
C4ndle will probably tell you that you're not a middle to understand his point, but I know what you're getting at in your observations and experiences as a setter. I saw something similar when I suffered through a college football bowl game this past season. Everyone in the room blamed the QB for not properly locating a certain receiver, who was known to be much faster than the other catchers. I remember the receiver making gestures to throw the ball farther, similar to Foluke's signals to Glass that the ball needs to be much higher. that's ok i'm not going to argue anymore. C4ndlelight is probably the only person i respect THE most on this board. we have a difference of opinion and i'm not going to go in circles debating who's right or wrong. Awww. *Hugs*
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:33:26 GMT -5
Philosophically, yeah. It's the job of the setter to win, and they do that by creating positive attack opportunities for her hitters, and that means giving them the ball they need in each situation. It's not always the same ball. ...which leads back to the setter and her ability to "feel" her attacker, see them out of her periphery, and adjust the timing/tempo/location of the ball based on what they'll need in that situation to score. Obviously you train the middle to be as consistent as possible, and communicate efficiently and often during the play and after, but most connection issues relating to tempo, timing, location of the quick attack is the fault of the setter. I get that - and I also think that's what the setters are doing to Foluke. I just struggle to accept that over a half-dozen world elite setters (over the 7+ years she's been playing internationally) have all been consistently setting her "wrong" (not that they never gave her a bad set, but that they set her poorly as a matter of course). If they're all doing it, and her hitting percentage is as high as it is, then it's a feature and not a bug. Oh, I don't disagree at all. I was speaking generally about setter/hitter connections, particularly quick hitters. I don't think Foluke has connection issues with her setters.
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