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Post by SportyBucky on May 28, 2015 10:53:18 GMT -5
I'll agree in part. But Nebraska's last national championship was in 2006. Penn State wins it almost every year to the point of ridiculousness. I've heard several people say volleyball should just skip the season and give the trophy to Nittanys in September. PSU has only been dominant the last few years... Do some research. Stanford and Nevraska have been at the top for a long long time. If it can be said psu has only been dominant the last few (10) years, it can be said nebraska and stanford haven't been true powerhouses in as many, particularly nebraska.
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Post by SportyBucky on May 28, 2015 10:56:56 GMT -5
Lately: PSU, Texas, Stanford, USC Historically: PSU, Nebraska, Stanford, Hawaii, (Kinda USC) Agree pretty much. "Traditional" is a bit ambiguous. Obviously, teams like Long Beach, Pacific, Hawaii, and UCLA were always in the championship discussion 10-25 years ago;, so, they have "tradition" and "history". But, only Hawaii and UCLA have made any waves the last decade (by getting to a Final Four or two). Stanford was dominant prior to PSU's run, and is always in the discussion as an elite program. If you look at the last decade of on-the-court results, it's a no-brainer that Penn State, USC, and Texas are in the Top 4. That final spot could be Nebraska or Stanford based on having won a national title, Final Four and regional final appearances. I think you need a history lesson, or one in simple addition. Stanford has won 6, Texas 3.
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 28, 2015 11:56:36 GMT -5
PSU has only been dominant the last few years... Do some research. Stanford and Nevraska have been at the top for a long long time. If it can be said psu has only been dominant the last few (10) years, it can be said nebraska and stanford haven't been true powerhouses in as many, particularly nebraska. It could be said BYU is a powerhouse. Technically anything could be said. Having said that, any discussion about powerhouses pretty much has to include Stanford and Nebraska, who are undeniable heavyweights in college vb.
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Post by southie on May 28, 2015 11:59:13 GMT -5
Agree pretty much. "Traditional" is a bit ambiguous. Obviously, teams like Long Beach, Pacific, Hawaii, and UCLA were always in the championship discussion 10-25 years ago;, so, they have "tradition" and "history". But, only Hawaii and UCLA have made any waves the last decade (by getting to a Final Four or two). Stanford was dominant prior to PSU's run, and is always in the discussion as an elite program. If you look at the last decade of on-the-court results, it's a no-brainer that Penn State, USC, and Texas are in the Top 4. That final spot could be Nebraska or Stanford based on having won a national title, Final Four and regional final appearances. I think you need a history lesson, or one in simple addition. Stanford has won 6, Texas 3. Perhaps you need some reading comprehension classes . . .
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Post by Reach on May 28, 2015 12:04:34 GMT -5
Agree pretty much. "Traditional" is a bit ambiguous. Obviously, teams like Long Beach, Pacific, Hawaii, and UCLA were always in the championship discussion 10-25 years ago;, so, they have "tradition" and "history". But, only Hawaii and UCLA have made any waves the last decade (by getting to a Final Four or two). Stanford was dominant prior to PSU's run, and is always in the discussion as an elite program. If you look at the last decade of on-the-court results, it's a no-brainer that Penn State, USC, and Texas are in the Top 4. That final spot could be Nebraska or Stanford based on having won a national title, Final Four and regional final appearances. I think you need a history lesson, or one in simple addition. Stanford has won 6, Texas 3. Not to mention how many finals Stanford has been in. Someone do wins, runner-ups and final fours. I think you'll find Stanford way ahead of everyone over the longest period of time or shall we say that Stanford has been the most consistent at the top of the game? PSU has become number 1 as of late by default. If they continue this dominance for years to come then the story will change, but its not like Stanford isn't right there behind them followed closely by Nebraska & Texas. USC, Hawaii, LBSU, UCLA.... these schools are powerhouses over a 30 year period. Look at the 30-40 years evenly and I think it's hard to Say Texas is top 5 and PSU is number 1.
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Post by dorothymantooth on May 28, 2015 12:08:38 GMT -5
I think you need a history lesson, or one in simple addition. Stanford has won 6, Texas 3. Not to mention how many finals Stanford has been in. Someone do wins, runner-ups and final fours. I think you'll find Stanford way ahead of everyone over the longest period of time or shall we say that Stanford has been the most consistent at the top of the game? PSU has become number 1 as of late by default. If they continue this dominance for years to come then the story will change, but its not like Stanford isn't right there behind them followed closely by Nebraska & Texas. USC, Hawaii, LBSU, UCLA.... these schools are powerhouses over a 30 year period. Look at the 30-40 years evenly and I think it's hard to Say Texas is top 5 and PSU is number 1. if by default you mean trouncing every other program, than I agree. I do agree with your point regarding the rest of it. Stanford is clearly one of the mega programs if not the mega program
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Post by southie on May 28, 2015 12:13:12 GMT -5
Stanford is one of, if not the most historied and accomplished programs. But, their last national title was in 2004: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Women%27s_Volleyball_ChampionshipAnd, up until 2014, they had not reached a Final Four since 2008. I acknowledge they had 3 runner-up finishes in the last decade; but, one could argue (by Stanford standards) that this last decade has been the worst in their history.
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Post by volleyguy on May 28, 2015 12:32:56 GMT -5
I think you need a history lesson, or one in simple addition. Stanford has won 6, Texas 3. Not to mention how many finals Stanford has been in. Someone do wins, runner-ups and final fours. I think you'll find Stanford way ahead of everyone over the longest period of time or shall we say that Stanford has been the most consistent at the top of the game? PSU has become number 1 as of late by default. If they continue this dominance for years to come then the story will change, but its not like Stanford isn't right there behind them followed closely by Nebraska & Texas. USC, Hawaii, LBSU, UCLA.... these schools are powerhouses over a 30 year period. Look at the 30-40 years evenly and I think it's hard to Say Texas is top 5 and PSU is number 1. Here she is...... ncaawvbchamps.pdf (19.08 KB) In terms of Final Four appearances: Stanford wins in consistency over time. Penn State wins in terms of getting the job done when they have the opportunity. USC does well in this category, although with fewer opportunities.
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Post by SportyBucky on May 28, 2015 13:36:20 GMT -5
I think you need a history lesson, or one in simple addition. Stanford has won 6, Texas 3. Perhaps you need some reading comprehension classes . . . What are on court results if not final fours and championships? small time colleges could win all their matches every year, but doesn't mean they're anything. And you actually said "a championship." not correct by any stretch of the imagination, although I know what you intended by that.
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Post by SportyBucky on May 28, 2015 13:37:55 GMT -5
Stanford is one of, if not the most historied and accomplished programs. But, their last national title was in 2004: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Women%27s_Volleyball_ChampionshipAnd, up until 2014, they had not reached a Final Four since 2008. I acknowledge they had 3 runner-up finishes in the last decade; but, one could argue (by Stanford standards) that this last decade has been the worst in their history. We're not talking "Stanford standards." By any programs standards, their record over the last decade would be a dream, but for Texas and PSU.
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Post by Reach on May 28, 2015 13:57:14 GMT -5
And one could argue that Stanford was the 2nd best team the past few years and could have made if further if the selection committee wasn't so stupid by matching PSU and Stan in the regional semis... lol
But Texas, given the recruits they've had, has underachieved the most, imo.
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Post by c4ndlelight on May 28, 2015 14:00:40 GMT -5
And one could argue that Stanford was the 2nd best team the past few years and could have made if further if the selection committee wasn't so stupid by matching PSU and Stan in the regional semis... lol But Texas, given the recruits they've had, has underachieved the most, imo. There is a mitten-shaped problem with that statement.
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Post by volleyguy on May 28, 2015 14:09:48 GMT -5
Texas has been to the Final Four 6 of the last 7 years. PSU 7 of the last 8. No one else is even close after that.
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Post by Boof1224 on May 28, 2015 14:13:53 GMT -5
And one could argue that Stanford was the 2nd best team the past few years and could have made if further if the selection committee wasn't so stupid by matching PSU and Stan in the regional semis... lol But Texas, given the recruits they've had, has underachieved the most, imo. As psu fan I agree. I think if psu wouldn't have won last two years Stanford would have. Stanford gave psu their biggest test both years and and in my opinion were the second best team. I believe Stanford would have beaten anyone else both those two years. 2013 Stanford had psu on the ropes in that 5th set and fell apart late in that 5th or psu surged. Depends how you wanna look at it. It's just a shame they were matched up so early. In my opinion that match both years was the championship match. Not trying to take anything away from Wisconsin or byu but I think Stanford would have handled them to if it had been them instead of psu
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Post by volleyguy on May 28, 2015 14:18:24 GMT -5
Dunning has gotten soft since he escaped the ghetto.
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