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Post by MsRSV on Nov 25, 2015 12:57:55 GMT -5
...that's how bad RPI undervalues the Big West - so it is NOT insignificant by any stretch Wow, never really looked at Massey critically. The differences for conferences like the Big West and Mountain West are significant. I gotta make some time to look at the rating system!
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Post by kolohekeiki on Nov 25, 2015 13:16:19 GMT -5
The real question is, who wants to face Hawaii in the first and second rounds? This is the most physical team they've had in years, and also the top blocking team in the country. They also have the best Opposite in the country. I mean people can say all they want, but the truth of the matter is no one wants Hawaii as a first or second round opponent. Hawaii is talented, but I'd love to see them leave the island once during the pre-season or at least bring in some tougher team as in years past. No one really knows what they are yet because they haven't played anyone in the top 25 for a long time. I agree though, no one wants to find out. I'm sure the Wahine would love to bring in tougher teams, but it's not as easy as you make it sound. It goes both ways and the other team(s) need to agree to come and it also needs to fit in their schedule to come. There are many variables on what determines the teams that come and play here during the pre-season tournaments.
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Post by jake on Nov 25, 2015 14:13:29 GMT -5
nope, like a lot of people outside the WCC or Big West, you don't really 'get it' nothing in your posts indicate that All of us that understand the math 'get it'; we're tired of hearing your whining every year. Yes there is a slight disadvantage, but your delusions of grandeur for your home school is annoying. Nothing, not the RPI, Pablo, or Massey say that LB should be a lock this year. They lack enough big wins to balance out their few mediocre losses to put them in that category. Whether you believe it is scheduling, the conference being down, a horrible east coast bias or just bad luck, there is no metric that puts them outside of the bubble besides your own thoughts and prayers. Brian is a legendary coach and they have a good team (yes I've seen them play) so I hope they get in. Here's one fan's suggestion,...don't use the RPI, Massey or Pablo to evaluate teams for one year. Than let's see what teams get in and not. Let the NCAA committee member wrestle with picking quality teams from all conferences based on wins and losses...ONLY.
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Post by tommyboy on Nov 25, 2015 14:23:08 GMT -5
Hawaii is talented, but I'd love to see them leave the island once during the pre-season or at least bring in some tougher team as in years past. No one really knows what they are yet because they haven't played anyone in the top 25 for a long time. I agree though, no one wants to find out. I'm sure the Wahine would love to bring in tougher teams, but it's not as easy as you make it sound. It goes both ways and the other team(s) need to agree to come and it also needs to fit in their schedule to come. There are many variables on what determines the teams that come and play here during the pre-season tournaments. That's true, it's not as easy as it sounds because people are getting smarter with their scheduling and understand that beating Hawaii in Hawaii is very hard. That's why I think they should travel one weekend in the pre-season to the mainland and play some top teams. It would be great if they could get into a tournament with 3 other teams that rotates sites for the next 4 years. Maybe Stanford, Penn St., Florida, etc.
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Post by internationalball on Nov 27, 2015 12:26:33 GMT -5
I'm sure the Wahine would love to bring in tougher teams, but it's not as easy as you make it sound. It goes both ways and the other team(s) need to agree to come and it also needs to fit in their schedule to come. There are many variables on what determines the teams that come and play here during the pre-season tournaments. That's true, it's not as easy as it sounds because people are getting smarter with their scheduling and understand that beating Hawaii in Hawaii is very hard. That's why I think they should travel one weekend in the pre-season to the mainland and play some top teams. It would be great if they could get into a tournament with 3 other teams that rotates sites for the next 4 years. Maybe Stanford, Penn St., Florida, etc. I would like to see them go to the Florida schools (Florida State, Florida, Miami) or to Nebraska, Iowa State, etc.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 27, 2015 13:28:50 GMT -5
Why should they leave in preconference? The fans support them and looks forward to the three tournaments. When you can bring in 5 thousand plus average each match, you would not up and leave. It's killing the golden goose. Hawai'i doesn't belong to a power conference where they get a large amount of TV money. The way they stay a float is the tournaments. Not to mention a huge recruiting tool. Also for the state of Hawai'i, the home matches are watched on TV and that provides a huge TV audience in the state. So no, I wouldn't leave. The matches are contracted at least three years out, and a lot of times those schools also bring other teams to play in Hawai'i the same season. Hawai'i has been the PIONEER in TV coverage, they don't just have one or two cameras fixed on the court, they have roaming cameramen up close the entire event. The types of angles and shots they create were pioneering. Many schools have played Hawai'i in one of those tournaments and took a lot of the ideas and events home and started to emulate the Hawai'i atmosphere. So, again no. Dave would rather take his chances some other way. Staying home in preconference is tradition and a money maker.
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Post by internationalball on Nov 27, 2015 13:52:33 GMT -5
Why should they leave in preconference? The fans support them and looks forward to the three tournaments. When you can bring in 5 thousand plus average each match, you would not up and leave. It's killing the golden goose. Hawai'i doesn't belong to a power conference where they get a large amount of TV money. The way they stay a float is the tournaments. Not to mention a huge recruiting tool. Also for the state of Hawai'i, the home matches are watched on TV and that provides a huge TV audience in the state. So no, I wouldn't leave. The matches are contracted at least three years out, and a lot of times those schools also bring other teams to play in Hawai'i the same season. Hawai'i has been the PIONEER in TV coverage, they don't just have one or two cameras fixed on the court, they have roaming cameramen up close the entire event. The types of angles and shots they create were pioneering. Many schools have played Hawai'i in one of those tournaments and took a lot of the ideas and events home and started to emulate the Hawai'i atmosphere. So, again no. Dave would rather take his chances some other way. Staying home in preconference is tradition and a money maker. If they can consistently bring in the best of the best teams in the country, which they always do, minus this year. But not when it hurts RPI. I also understand how hard it is to schedule the top teams to come out here for tournament, of course those teams have to say yes. Anyway, they are the most top money maker in women's volleyball along with Nebraska now, so that is always a big plus, but would like to see them play a couple teams in the mainland.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Nov 27, 2015 14:55:20 GMT -5
Why should they leave in preconference? The fans support them and looks forward to the three tournaments. When you can bring in 5 thousand plus average each match, you would not up and leave. It's killing the golden goose. Hawai'i doesn't belong to a power conference where they get a large amount of TV money. The way they stay a float is the tournaments. Not to mention a huge recruiting tool. Also for the state of Hawai'i, the home matches are watched on TV and that provides a huge TV audience in the state. So no, I wouldn't leave. The matches are contracted at least three years out, and a lot of times those schools also bring other teams to play in Hawai'i the same season. Hawai'i has been the PIONEER in TV coverage, they don't just have one or two cameras fixed on the court, they have roaming cameramen up close the entire event. The types of angles and shots they create were pioneering. Many schools have played Hawai'i in one of those tournaments and took a lot of the ideas and events home and started to emulate the Hawai'i atmosphere. So, again no. Dave would rather take his chances some other way. Staying home in preconference is tradition and a money maker. If they can consistently bring in the best of the best teams in the country, which they always do, minus this year. But not when it hurts RPI. I also understand how hard it is to schedule the top teams to come out here for tournament, of course those teams have to say yes. Anyway, they are the most top money maker in women's volleyball along with Nebraska now, so that is always a big plus, but would like to see them play a couple teams in the mainland. I guess you don't know Dave and Crew. He believes in reality. The RPI is your friend if your conference teams win, win, win. If the Big West teams can have a winning record during preconference, the RPI's will remain high during conference play. He believes the way to a higher RPI is to have the Big West bring its RPI up as a whole. When you schedule far out, you never know what you get when the teams come and play. OSU this year is half the team they were last year, no one could predict that. LBS, CSUN have not been as successful this year as they were last year, so again no way to predict it. Remember the RPI starts at zero each year.
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Post by internationalball on Nov 28, 2015 1:52:44 GMT -5
Anyone know when they will announce the Postseason Awards, All-Conference Team, POY, FOY, COY?
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Post by bigdfromla on Nov 28, 2015 3:32:11 GMT -5
The conference overall had a lousy year.
Cal State Fullerton was HORRIBLY down from where they were the last three years.
Cal State Northridge took a dump from being a pretty strong team last year.
UC Santa Barbara was shockingly bad, continuing a two year slide from a team that was at the top of the conference in 2013. This year's team had quite a few players left from 2013. What the heck happened??? Must have been a lot of internal, drama-type problems occurring.
UC Davis, with whom I was very impressed with when I saw them last season, really underachieved with an RPI-busting disaster of a preseason. I was really expecting a lot more from them. At the end of the season, they put it together enough to spoil things for Cal Poly and others.
UC Riverside improved. Congratulations. But they have been so historically bad it was like going from the first floor to the ninth floor of a 50-story building.
UC Irvine held serve. New coach. Excellent freshman from Long Beach, but they lost Cassidy Pickrell who transferred. Kind of a wash from last year to this year.
Cal Poly improved and contended for most of the season. However, they had some bad losses scattered throughout the season which again hurt theirs and the conference's RPI.
Long Beach State greatly overachieved with a team far inferior talent-wise to the conference champions from last season. This is thanks to Jenelle Hudson, the best setter playing in California, and an good season from Barber. Hudson and Murray were the only two players with significant playing time from last year's team left on a Long Beach team that did extremely well, but honestly did benefit from the weakness found in the rest of the conference this season. Brian deserves credit for a good coaching job, but Shoji deserves coach of the year. I think Long Beach definitely deserves a spot in the NCAA Tournament.
This is the Big West Conference that Hawaii was stuck with in 2015, and it is quite a shame. Hawaii is an excellent team, top eight in the country for certain. I wish they would have been in the Pac-12 this season...it would have been fun to see them battle with USC, Washington, Stanford and UCLA. I gained so much respect and admiration for them when I watched them dismantle Long Beach State at the Pyramid this season. I really, really hope they don't get screwed this weekend, and they end up with a good draw. I will be rooting for them to go far.
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Post by vballfreak808 on Nov 28, 2015 17:24:13 GMT -5
Anyone know when they will announce the Postseason Awards, All-Conference Team, POY, FOY, COY? Will be announced November 30th at 11 AM PT
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Post by vballfreak808 on Nov 28, 2015 17:26:32 GMT -5
Long Beach State sweeps Pacific on Friday night which was Senior Night 3-0 (26-24, 25-20, 25-21)
Today Long Beach State also swept Denver 3-0 (25-20, 25-15, 25-20).
Now all regular season matches are complete for Big West teams.
Hawaii has the automatic bid to the NCAA Tournament. Long Beach State is a bubble team but we won't know until tomorrow if they make it. Hopefully they do but we'll see.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Nov 28, 2015 19:13:32 GMT -5
Go Beach!, very good win!
f&*k RPI in advance
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Post by Mix Breed-TEXAS,HI,LBSU on Nov 28, 2015 19:43:27 GMT -5
Yaaaas! Great Job Beach ladies!
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Post by jake on Nov 28, 2015 20:09:16 GMT -5
LBSU is a top 60 team,...no question.
They deserve being in the postseason,...the RPI be damned.
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