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Post by WahineFan44 on Jul 15, 2015 6:41:11 GMT -5
Did I say she was bad? No. Did I say anything that judged her no? Did I say I think one is better than the other? No. I said most reliable people on this board seem to think Norene and Kylie are better setters. Chisovniks comment was about them propping her up, and I agree. People are propping her up to carlini status. Which, I don't care if I haven't seen her play, I can say with 10000 percent certainty isn't warranted. If she's ranked higher, great. Also, she had offers from Oregon, Notre dame, CSU and various other PAC schools, So I have no doubt in my mind that she's excellent, but from what I've heard, Kylie is better. But YOU haven't seen her. I don't understand how you can feel qualified to comment on kids that you've never seen. You feel that confident commenting and trusting the word of anonymous posters that you've never met and never worked with without ever seeing the kid for yourself? I just don't understand. Again, where you can point out where I, key word I, said who was better, if I said she was good or not, that would be great. I literally said I've even told kylie and Iosia were better by reliable posters. And you know who's reliable on here, I also said I agree with Chisovnik. I didn't say "I THINK KYLIE AND IOSIA ARE BETTER". I can't say that because I don't have the knowledge to say that, I simply said, others have said that kylie is better. And I think I Iosia accolades speak for themselves. And for the record, I have seen Iosia play. Granted, it was in youtube videos, but they were full matches.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 6:49:14 GMT -5
But YOU haven't seen her. I don't understand how you can feel qualified to comment on kids that you've never seen. You feel that confident commenting and trusting the word of anonymous posters that you've never met and never worked with without ever seeing the kid for yourself? I just don't understand. Again, where you can point out where I, key word I, said who was better, if I said she was good or not, that would be great. I literally said I've even told kylie and Iosia were better by reliable posters. And you know who's reliable on here, I also said I agree with Chisovnik. I didn't say "I THINK KYLIE AND IOSIA ARE BETTER". I can't say that because I don't have the knowledge to say that, I simply said, others have said that kylie is better. And I think I Iosia accolades speak for themselves. You said, "people are propping her up so much," but how do you know it's unwarranted if you've never seen the kid? How can you say that she struggled at nationals or imply that people are being unfair with their comments about her play when you've never seen her? Because "reliable posters" say so? What makes them "reliable?" If you're just repeating what others are saying, is that really necessary, since you haven't seen any of these kids? Do we need you to just echo what others are saying? Do you think that the opinions of "reliable posters" who have actually seen these kids play can stand on their own without you? I just don't get why you feel the need to comment in a discussion about kids you haven't ever seen. It makes no sense to me.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Jul 15, 2015 6:54:34 GMT -5
Again, where you can point out where I, key word I, said who was better, if I said she was good or not, that would be great. I literally said I've even told kylie and Iosia were better by reliable posters. And you know who's reliable on here, I also said I agree with Chisovnik. I didn't say "I THINK KYLIE AND IOSIA ARE BETTER". I can't say that because I don't have the knowledge to say that, I simply said, others have said that kylie is better. And I think I Iosia accolades speak for themselves. You said, "people are propping her up so much," but how do you know it's unwarranted if you've never seen the kid? How can you say that she struggled at nationals or imply that people are being unfair with their comments about her play when you've never seen her? Because "reliable posters" say so? What makes them "reliable?" If you're just repeating what others are saying, is that really necessary, since you haven't seen any of these kids? Do we need you to just echo what others are saying? Do you think that the opinions of "reliable posters" who have actually seen these kids play can stand on their own without you? I just don't get why you feel the need to comment in a discussion about kids you haven't ever seen. It makes no sense to me. What makes them reliable? Lets see, they're some of the most trusted on this site, have constantly posted true information and know about the recruits. But ehh. If you rather me not talk about the recruits, (which I really haven't been doing too much, this is my first time in a while), I won't. Rather not deal with it. But for the record, it is a message board, and people are free to post what they want, as long as its not offensive to the Mods.
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Post by wmr8 on Jul 15, 2015 12:03:32 GMT -5
Katie Oleksak's parents must be on this board because a few of you guys talk about her like she's the second coming of Lauren Carlini. She is a very good player though. I would agree she gets a lot of kudos on this forum but she is deserving.
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Post by zuzu1227 on Jul 15, 2015 12:44:21 GMT -5
Yeah you're right. She set the last two national champions and lost in the finals of a third. How did she do beating the #1 team in the nation in the semis? Storm has an outstanding OH and Middle, an above average RS and not much else. She is a big reason they are awesome! Won the MVP at 16's. You haven't seen her? People say she struggled at Nationals (which she didn't, she was actually better than ever when I watched)? Watch her one time and you will see the kid is a stud. Miller and Norene are both excellent but not near the setter she is IMO. They may be a better athlete, but no one sets a better ball than Katie. Tempo and placement are simply the best! I'm not Katie's dad, but I am a dad of a pretty high level setter in this age group, so I know what I'm looking at. Oh yeah, I have watched them all play (kind of important when voicing an opinion on players). Iam sorry to tell you this, but I have seen her set the past two years and I don't think she is better that both Miller and Iosia. Iam a setter my self in college so I know what Iam seeing. She is surrounded by great hitters (Spann/Stivrins/Johnson/Lanier) so it makes her look like an all American. Don't get me wrong, she is good, but you proclaiming her as better that the other two is not even close
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Post by lovevolley on Jul 15, 2015 14:25:13 GMT -5
I just going to take shot in the dark and say "no". I'm not saying they become Penn State overnight. I'm thinking maybe they start getting a more serious look from some prep prospects given who else plays there. The question was "I wonder if Gia can be the start of a volleyball renaissance for Maryland. " The "start" yes! They have already begun. Will they get to a final four in 2016 no, 2017 no, 2018 look out!, 2019...time will tell but when you look at the players who have already committed, they are already looking impressive with a less than stellar record! Those girls have something to prove - they aren't afraid to come in and build something. Aird knows what he's doing and I can't wait to see them take off! I think a lot of people are going to be really surprised!
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Post by SportyBucky on Jul 15, 2015 14:27:49 GMT -5
I just don't get how one can say this setter is bettter than that setter, when all of these girls are pretty impessive. My gosh and these are coming from grown adults! It's many people's job on this board to say who is better and who isn't better. Some evaluate talent in HS, club...some otherwise. It's relatively objective. Can a setter jump? Block? Dig? Can they set to all positions at all speeds consistently? Leadership? Watch kids play for a weekend and you can pick out those who are top talent and you can compare them against each other. It's not always clear-cut, but often times it is.
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Post by sandnut on Jul 16, 2015 14:26:54 GMT -5
The setters in question are all very talented, yet different. Kylie and Norene have been playing on older teams to get used to the faster, stronger game earlier. Katie plays in a very fast offense, but seldom faces opponents who are equal. Norene's Mizuno Long Beach team arguably had the most talented athletes of any team in the country, yet they struggled to get the most out of the team. Next year will be the real test for these girls. Can they maintain the level of dominance without the same level of supporting casts? Maybe advantage Katie because her team has been together for several years. They should each make an impact on their college teams. Good luck ladies.
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Post by chisovnik on Jul 16, 2015 17:57:57 GMT -5
Yeah you're right. She set the last two national champions and lost in the finals of a third. How did she do beating the #1 team in the nation in the semis? Storm has an outstanding OH and Middle, an above average RS and not much else. She is a big reason they are awesome! Won the MVP at 16's. You haven't seen her? People say she struggled at Nationals (which she didn't, she was actually better than ever when I watched)? Watch her one time and you will see the kid is a stud. Miller and Norene are both excellent but not near the setter she is IMO. They may be a better athlete, but no one sets a better ball than Katie. Tempo and placement are simply the best! I'm not Katie's dad, but I am a dad of a pretty high level setter in this age group, so I know what I'm looking at. Oh yeah, I have watched them all play (kind of important when voicing an opinion on players). ....so then are you're her mom?
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Post by Sbilo on Jul 16, 2015 19:00:49 GMT -5
Yeah you're right. She set the last two national champions and lost in the finals of a third. How did she do beating the #1 team in the nation in the semis? Storm has an outstanding OH and Middle, an above average RS and not much else. She is a big reason they are awesome! Won the MVP at 16's. You haven't seen her? People say she struggled at Nationals (which she didn't, she was actually better than ever when I watched)? Watch her one time and you will see the kid is a stud. Miller and Norene are both excellent but not near the setter she is IMO. They may be a better athlete, but no one sets a better ball than Katie. Tempo and placement are simply the best! I'm not Katie's dad, but I am a dad of a pretty high level setter in this age group, so I know what I'm looking at. Oh yeah, I have watched them all play (kind of important when voicing an opinion on players). ....so then are you're her mom? Or aunt. Or club coach. I've seen Katie quite a few times before and while she's good, Norene, Miller and even Gray are better than her. One poster here is correct, she looks like an All American setter because she's surrounded by some of the best prep hitters in the nation.
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Post by Sbilo on Jul 16, 2015 19:02:49 GMT -5
After watching a lot of US-JNT's videos in the European Global Challenge, I would say Agbaji is definitely a top 10 recruit (together with Fitz, Stivrins and Pittman). Such a strong class for MBs.
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Post by C on Jul 16, 2015 19:20:36 GMT -5
The setters in question are all very talented, yet different. Kylie and Norene have been playing on older teams to get used to the faster, stronger game earlier. Katie plays in a very fast offense, but seldom faces opponents who are equal. Norene's Mizuno Long Beach team arguably had the most talented athletes of any team in the country, yet they struggled to get the most out of the team. Next year will be the real test for these girls. Can they maintain the level of dominance without the same level of supporting casts? Maybe advantage Katie because her team has been together for several years. They should each make an impact on their college teams. Good luck ladies. I strongly disagree with you on Mizuno having "arguably" the most talented athletes of any team in the country. They have the Texas recruit, Norene, Muno (who is 5'8), and another outside that can play pretty well. They're a relative short team that plays in a 6-2 offense. They can do much better if they played in a 5-1, but I'm not going to get into that.
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Post by Disc808 on Jul 16, 2015 19:23:04 GMT -5
After watching a lot of US-JNT's videos in the European Global Challenge, I would say Agbaji is definitely a top 10 recruit (together with Fitz, Stivrins and Pittman). Such a strong class for MBs. I agree. I'm not sure about Pittman just because of the fact that I haven't really watched a lot of her. I think maybe even Darielle King makes top 10.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 19:34:14 GMT -5
After watching a lot of US-JNT's videos in the European Global Challenge, I would say Agbaji is definitely a top 10 recruit (together with Fitz, Stivrins and Pittman). Such a strong class for MBs. I agree. I'm not sure about Pittman just because of the fact that I haven't really watched a lot of her. I think maybe even Darielle King makes top 10. Honestly the depth in the middle in this class is crazy. Pittman, King, Fitz, Stivrins, Agbaji, Stone, all have very strong arguments for the top 10 (imo Pittman, Stivrins, and Fitz are locks)
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Post by volleylong on Jul 19, 2015 23:48:36 GMT -5
I agree Stone is one of the best in class. Nor Cal girls don't get enough promotion by their clubs or something to be recognized as they should. I've seen many of these girls play Kirsten Sibley (Hawaii), Ronika Stone (Oregon) Shalom Ifeanyichujwu (Oregon St.) Alexis Dirige (Washington St.) MacLaine Fields (Harvard) Lauren Speckman ( Marquette) all top girls in the class. Their teams wouldn't be top teams without them.
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