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Post by ja on Jul 26, 2015 8:59:26 GMT -5
BTW, after the charges against Rick first came out, he has not been accused of additional misconduct. Did you know that, at the time, the father of one of his players told Rick that if he ever molested any of his players again, he would hire someone to kill him? I guess he scared him to the point! The other question is how come he never was prosecuted? Does he need to register as a sex offender? It's mind bogging that he was able to build an Volleyball Empire with known reputation as a sex predator?
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Post by bkedane on Jul 26, 2015 9:05:07 GMT -5
Since he was never even prosecuted, let alone convicted, he of course does not have to register as a sex offender.
He was not prosecuted because either no prosecutor had enough evidence to go forward or no prosecutor had enough evidence within the statute of limitations for those possible charges that had a statute of limitations.
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Post by chancelucky on Jul 26, 2015 9:29:05 GMT -5
It's not limited to Rick Butler and whatever happened many years ago. One unfortunate and I think unnecessary result was that after the Butler case, USAV decided to take a hands-off approach with its regions. Several years ago, I was involved with a group of parents who were interested in, among other things, seeing if we could make sure that all coaches in the region were fingerprinted. Rick Butler is not the only club coach in America who had sex with players at some point. In fact, there were some issues with it in Northern California including one involving a male coach with a male player. When we approached NCVA, their ultimate reaction was to appoint the wife of a club owner to their board who had been involved in a misdemeanor (I read the judge's sentencing statement) that resulted in his losing his teaching credential which somehow didn't prevent him from running a volleyball club. NCVA had an odd system where the board appointed the board.
I had a contact at USAV, explain the issue, and the national had no interest in it because they did not have the resources to police the regions at the time. It struck me at the time that USAV's main business in the juniors was to run very profitable qualifiers and to charge hundreds, maybe thousands, of girls high fees to tryout for various national teams when only about 2% of the participants would be looked at seriously (for $75, I got this swell tryout t-shirt and a chance to jump and touch a vertex). Protecting the kids did not appear to be a priority or more accurately making sure that the regions prioritized protecting the players was not a real concern for USAV. My understanding was they didn't have the budget for another lawsuit, but I believe they did amend the rules/procedures to at least address the matter of coaches caught in sexual situations with players.
I think AAU must have known about Butler's history when they formed their alliance, but I'm somewhat encouraged by their showing some interest in setting standards, if that, in fact, is what's going on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 9:29:00 GMT -5
Good explanation. I did not have any preexisting knowledge. Should have gone into law. Good luck with that. They do background and character checks for persons going into law. Well I would be in good shape since I get background screens every year in usav, aau, and jva. Thanks for the concern.
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Post by alarmclock on Jul 26, 2015 9:31:35 GMT -5
People root against Butler because, in reality, he's an egotistical unrepentant jerkwad about the whole situation, and has been for the entire history of this issue.
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Post by zenyada on Jul 26, 2015 9:35:18 GMT -5
BTW, after the charges against Rick first came out, he has not been accused of additional misconduct. Did you know that, at the time, the father of one of his players told Rick that if he ever molested any of his players again, he would hire someone to kill him? I guess he scared him to the point! The other question is how come he never was prosecuted? Does he need to register as a sex offender? It's mind bogging that he was able to build an Volleyball Empire with known reputation as a sex predator? Despite any threat, he didn't scare him away. Statisically speaking additional transgressions are a very high probability. Often they hide out for years, move to another city, or another venue. Check for involvement in church groups, summer camps, school positions, tutoring, and counseling. They rebuild social structures of trust, then act, and should never be left alone with a minor.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jul 26, 2015 9:52:00 GMT -5
People root against Butler because, in reality, he's an egotistical unrepentant jerkwad about the whole situation, and has been for the entire history of this issue. And how much would you say that bleeds into perception of Sports Performance as a whole? I've seen quite a bit of venom on this board (both directed at Butler and each other), it's reminiscent of the maelstrom parents create just chatting about the program, for and against. Do you think with Butler removed SPRI loses the hate, or is it indelibly ingrained in the program? Do people root against Sports Performance because of Butler?
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Post by vbfanantic on Jul 26, 2015 9:55:30 GMT -5
BTW, after the charges against Rick first came out, he has not been accused of additional misconduct. Did you know that, at the time, the father of one of his players told Rick that if he ever molested any of his players again, he would hire someone to kill him? I guess he scared him to the point! The other question is how come he never was prosecuted? Does he need to register as a sex offender? It's mind bogging that he was able to build an Volleyball Empire with known reputation as a sex predator? Accordingly to one article, "Because the Statue of Limitations for pressing charges or filing suit had expired for all three accusers, their only remaining avenue of retribution was through the Sport's governing authority."
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Post by truthandjustice on Jul 26, 2015 10:12:02 GMT -5
I'll ask you this... Did Butler's wife play for him when she was in high school?
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Post by zenyada on Jul 26, 2015 10:20:55 GMT -5
People root against Butler because, in reality, he's an egotistical unrepentant jerkwad about the whole situation, and has been for the entire history of this issue. Denial is rooted in sociopathic behavior. He doesn't view himself as a perpetrator of wrong doing. The reason many are disappointed by the absence of a normal, healthy apology and taking responsibility, is that he dodged a bullet, and was able to put back together a "normal" life, so they expect accountability. Stop expecting normal healthy behavior. The facts suggest he is not healthy.
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Post by alarmclock on Jul 26, 2015 11:11:47 GMT -5
People root against Butler because, in reality, he's an egotistical unrepentant jerkwad about the whole situation, and has been for the entire history of this issue. And how much would you say that bleeds into perception of Sports Performance as a whole? I've seen quite a bit of venom on this board (both directed at Butler and each other), it's reminiscent of the maelstrom parents create just chatting about the program, for and against. Do you think with Butler removed SPRI loses the hate, or is it indelibly ingrained in the program? Do people root against Sports Performance because of Butler? I think outside the time periods where this issue hit the media (1996, 2001, now), most club people in the Chicago area had no idea about Butler's past. Parents are blissfully ignorant of what goes on with the sport of volleyball outside the sphere of their own interests and their daughter's interests. And their interest in volleyball only lasts the 4-6 years their daughter is involved in the sport.
Not aware people root against SPRI in competition, other than the fact that they are usually at or near the top nationally year in and year out. They are an elite club, always have been. People root against the elite anyway.
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Post by truthandjustice on Jul 26, 2015 14:09:05 GMT -5
If any of you parents had any idea how many coaches are out there STILL coaching after having sex with their players, you would be sick. I am talking confirmed within their friend group where everyone KNOWS it happened yet nothing was done. Also, there are a few college coaches out there that people know about.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2015 14:52:36 GMT -5
that's what i said. but i'm just stirring the pot, of course. this was a power play. it was not about predation. it was about control. a coaching tactic.
i take that back. it is predation. but it wasn't about some sort of perversion. it wasn't like they couldn't help themselves. it was intentional.
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Post by bigfan on Jul 26, 2015 15:27:24 GMT -5
I wonder if Rick Butler reads Volleytalk?
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Post by Coast on Jul 26, 2015 15:36:10 GMT -5
People root against Butler because, in reality, he's an egotistical unrepentant jerkwad about the whole situation, and has been for the entire history of this issue. They root against him because he slept with children.
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