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Post by c4ndlelight on Aug 1, 2015 21:51:39 GMT -5
We do know if it does change the gap between the have and have nots will be greater, not smaller. On the whole, yes I'd agree with that, but, still, you never know. In particular individual schools who, for some inexplicable reason, land a game changing recruit or two and suddenly wham, national prominence. Wisconsin is the most recent iteration of this. And yes they play in the Big 10, but IMO their story could really have been any number of teams. I disagree really. Someone outside the Power 5 wouldn't be able to draw Carlini and friends (esp. for a losing team). I suppose if there's a big crop of elite Mormons within a couple of years of one another BYU could rack up some titles. But other than that, I'm not sure there's another non-Power 5 school that would be able to win enough recruiting battles agains the big fish to assemble enough talent to make a run for a title. Volleyball, as a sport, just doesn't experience enough BIG upsets for that to be realistic.
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Post by Victory At Hand on Aug 2, 2015 2:42:21 GMT -5
EVERYONE. That's why Champioships are played!!! this makes no sense. I asked who people think can compete to win, of course they will play. Well then you should go back and change the thread from "How many teams have a legit chance to win it all?" to "Who can compete to win"
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Post by psumaui on Aug 2, 2015 2:52:53 GMT -5
Penn State Penn State Penn State Penn State Penn State Until otherwise proven. I think 2 and 3 should be switched and then I would agree with you
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 2, 2015 8:49:14 GMT -5
On the whole, yes I'd agree with that, but, still, you never know. In particular individual schools who, for some inexplicable reason, land a game changing recruit or two and suddenly wham, national prominence. Wisconsin is the most recent iteration of this. And yes they play in the Big 10, but IMO their story could really have been any number of teams. I disagree really. Someone outside the Power 5 wouldn't be able to draw Carlini and friends (esp. for a losing team). I suppose if there's a big crop of elite Mormons within a couple of years of one another BYU could rack up some titles. But other than that, I'm not sure there's another non-Power 5 school that would be able to win enough recruiting battles agains the big fish to assemble enough talent to make a run for a title. Volleyball, as a sport, just doesn't experience enough BIG upsets for that to be realistic. BYU would be the exception
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Post by dorothymantooth on Aug 2, 2015 8:50:06 GMT -5
this makes no sense. I asked who people think can compete to win, of course they will play. Well then you should go back and change the thread from "How many teams have a legit chance to win it all?" to "Who can compete to win" Are you serious?
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Post by n00b on Aug 2, 2015 9:03:18 GMT -5
I disagree really. Someone outside the Power 5 wouldn't be able to draw Carlini and friends (esp. for a losing team). I suppose if there's a big crop of elite Mormons within a couple of years of one another BYU could rack up some titles. But other than that, I'm not sure there's another non-Power 5 school that would be able to win enough recruiting battles agains the big fish to assemble enough talent to make a run for a title. Volleyball, as a sport, just doesn't experience enough BIG upsets for that to be realistic. BYU would be the exception I think schools like San Diego and Creighton could be good enough to make a run every once in a while. You can throw in Hawaii too if they name the right person to succeed Shoji.
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Post by akbar on Aug 2, 2015 9:14:54 GMT -5
BYU would be the exception You can throw in Hawaii too if they name the right person to succeed Shoji. Ouchy.
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Post by akbar on Aug 2, 2015 9:21:06 GMT -5
I think only 11 programs have ever won. Only 10 teams have won a NC since NCAA started in 1981. My money is on one of the 4 below highlighted teams from that 10(my ranking on left): 1. Penn State - 7 2. Stanford - 6 UCLA - 4 Hawaii - 3 Long Beach State - 3 4. Nebraska - 3 USC - 3 Pacific - 2 3. Texas -2 Washington - 1 In Final but didn't win: Wisconsin - 2 BYU - 1 California - 1 Florida - 1 Illinois - 1 ( Sleeper) Minnesota - 1 Oregon - 1 Nebraska has the nice mix of talent, youth and incentive of home play in the corner to drive them. If they make it however, it is not beyond the realm of possibility, that they pull a "Husky" under the extra weight of having the State's hope on their shoulders so close to home.
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Post by n00b on Aug 2, 2015 9:30:22 GMT -5
You can throw in Hawaii too if they name the right person to succeed Shoji. Ouchy. Shoji is a great coach, but he only has a couple of years left and I don't think Hawaii has the talent to win it that soon. If Dave sticks around for another decade, he'd be just as likely to do it as the new coach. I realized after I typed that, the wording may have sounded like I was throwing shade on Shoji. That wasn't the intention.
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Post by akbar on Aug 2, 2015 10:38:46 GMT -5
Shoji is a great coach, but he only has a couple of years left and I don't think Hawaii has the talent to win it that soon. If Dave sticks around for another decade, he'd be just as likely to do it as the new coach. I realized after I typed that, the wording may have sounded like I was throwing shade on Shoji. That wasn't the intention. Ah...understood and agree .
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Post by vbnerd on Aug 2, 2015 11:18:16 GMT -5
On the whole, yes I'd agree with that, but, still, you never know. In particular individual schools who, for some inexplicable reason, land a game changing recruit or two and suddenly wham, national prominence. Wisconsin is the most recent iteration of this. And yes they play in the Big 10, but IMO their story could really have been any number of teams. I disagree really. Someone outside the Power 5 wouldn't be able to draw Carlini and friends (esp. for a losing team). I suppose if there's a big crop of elite Mormons within a couple of years of one another BYU could rack up some titles. But other than that, I'm not sure there's another non-Power 5 school that would be able to win enough recruiting battles agains the big fish to assemble enough talent to make a run for a title. Volleyball, as a sport, just doesn't experience enough BIG upsets for that to be realistic. Foreign players who want to play in the U.S. Google "American university volleyball" and guess where they are directed to? MTSU pulled the right group of players together to make the elite 8. You can build a great program anywhere, but winning the title is a very particular task.
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Post by coloradokidd on Aug 2, 2015 11:19:16 GMT -5
Akbar said: "If they make it however, it is not beyond the realm of possibility, that they pull a "Husky" under the extra weight of having the State's hope on their shoulders so close to home."
"Hope" is probably the wrong word to use when describing Husker Volleyball in NE. 'Winning it All' or getting close is an expectation; by the fan base, and more so by the coaching staff and players. But the fan base is very knowledgeable and realists, so... and the players know this. I like the teams chances, but first they have to get to Omaha (Finals). And I really like the player's slogan from last Spring; "Why Not Now Us?".
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Post by bkedane on Aug 2, 2015 11:36:03 GMT -5
I disagree really. Someone outside the Power 5 wouldn't be able to draw Carlini and friends (esp. for a losing team). I suppose if there's a big crop of elite Mormons within a couple of years of one another BYU could rack up some titles. But other than that, I'm not sure there's another non-Power 5 school that would be able to win enough recruiting battles agains the big fish to assemble enough talent to make a run for a title. Volleyball, as a sport, just doesn't experience enough BIG upsets for that to be realistic. Foreign players who want to play in the U.S. Google "American university volleyball" and guess where they are directed to? MTSU pulled the right group of players together to make the elite 8. You can build a great program anywhere, but winning the title is a very particular task. When did MTSU make an elite 8? I know one year they made it to regionals, losing to BYU in the round of 16.
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Post by akbar on Aug 2, 2015 11:38:17 GMT -5
Akbar said: "If they make it however, it is not beyond the realm of possibility, that they pull a "Husky" under the extra weight of having the State's hope on their shoulders so close to home." "Hope" is probably the wrong word to use when describing Husker Volleyball in NE. 'Winning it All' or getting close is an expectation; by the fan base, and more so by the coaching staff and players. But the fan base is very knowledgeable and realists, so... and the players know this. I like the teams chances, but first they have to get to Omaha (Finals). And I really like the player's slogan from last Spring; "Why Not Us?". Washington had a knowledgeable fan base and their team and coaches also had a high expectation level. "Why not us" does not exude high expections, if you really think about it. Just saying.
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Post by bkedane on Aug 2, 2015 11:38:17 GMT -5
Akbar said: "If they make it however, it is not beyond the realm of possibility, that they pull a "Husky" under the extra weight of having the State's hope on their shoulders so close to home." "Hope" is probably the wrong word to use when describing Husker Volleyball in NE. 'Winning it All' or getting close is an expectation; by the fan base, and more so by the coaching staff and players. But the fan base is very knowledgeable and realists, so... and the players know this. I like the teams chances, but first they have to get to Omaha (Finals). And I really like the player's slogan from last Spring; "Why Not Us?". I think you're right to describe "'winning it all' or getting close" as an expectation at Nebraska. What do you think counts as "getting close" -- Regionals? Final four?
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