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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 16:58:58 GMT -5
Well, yes. But we hate that too, right? Adding MORE dead time is not going to help the sport's popularity.
Is any of this being shown on TV? I've only seen it happen in person.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 17:10:47 GMT -5
We already have enough energy-killing things in this damn game.
Four timeouts (combined) per set, often at the most exciting points of the match. There's nothing worse than when all four timeouts are used in the last 5 points of a close set. A ten-minute break between sets two and three.
For a game that has a (very short, but still a) break for service every 15-30 seconds or so, these extended breaks from the action really make it hard to stay excited. Adding more of them for this type of call, where the referee who (could have) made the initial call gets to review his/her own call, that nobody else gets to see, etc... it's just stupid. I think the rule on using this at least needs to be tougher - lose one challenge, you give up your remaining time-outs for the current set +1 time out from the next set, or something. IDK.
(But I have a similar problem with basketball fouls and timeouts that extend the last 90 seconds of a game into 45 minutes, and nobody else seems to have this problem, so maybe I just need to take my ritalin and STFU.)
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 5, 2015 17:17:16 GMT -5
nobody else seems to have this problem, so maybe I just need to take my ritalin and STFU.) Yes, I think so. The replay should be used for line calls. This is a no-brainer. It won't end the controversy involving really close calls, but the terrible ones where the ball lands two feet in but is called out would be able to be overturned. Volleyball is a sport where (now, anyway) a point is scored on every play, so one missed call is a two-point swing every time. We should do what we can to get these calls right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 17:22:04 GMT -5
I would actually be in favor of instant replay (especially on line calls) if we could drop the ten-minute break between sets 2 and 3 (especially if a team is up 2-0. Just let them sweep. If it's not over in 3 sets, then take a break maybe? Or maybe take a break after 2 of it's tied 1-1 but not if a team is up 2-0?)
I also would like if a team only had one timeout after hitting the 20th point, no matter if they used their other timeout or not. Five timeouts per set for televised matches (with the 15-point media timeout) is awful.
I'd be in favor of instant replay being added to the current game, if some of these other rules were modified.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 23:13:21 GMT -5
nobody else seems to have this problem, so maybe I just need to take my ritalin and STFU.) Yes, I think so. The replay should be used for line calls. This is a no-brainer. It won't end the controversy involving really close calls, but the terrible ones where the ball lands two feet in but is called out would be able to be overturned. Volleyball is a sport where (now, anyway) a point is scored on every play, so one missed call is a two-point swing every time. We should do what we can to get these calls right. Add two more line judges then. There's no reason why human beings can't officiate this sport -- at least for bad misses. If they miss a close call? Big deal. Don't whine about not getting the micro touch.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 23:16:10 GMT -5
Give them a yellow card for a delay if they challenge a call that is upheld. They already have a yellow? Then it's going to cost them a point. As it will if they ask for another one and are wrong again.
The team asking for the replay needs to be damned sure the call was blown in other words. Is that asking too much?
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Post by SuperSpike on Oct 5, 2015 23:54:01 GMT -5
We just need better implementation.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 6, 2015 9:17:40 GMT -5
Yes, I think so. The replay should be used for line calls. This is a no-brainer. It won't end the controversy involving really close calls, but the terrible ones where the ball lands two feet in but is called out would be able to be overturned. Volleyball is a sport where (now, anyway) a point is scored on every play, so one missed call is a two-point swing every time. We should do what we can to get these calls right. Add two more line judges then. There's no reason why human beings can't officiate this sport -- at least for bad misses. If they miss a close call? Big deal. Don't whine about not getting the micro touch. You are obsessed with "microtouches". But in just the last few matches I've watched, I've seen terrible, terrible line calls made that happen right in front of the line judge. No question they were wrong, and replay instantly shows they were wrong. Why can't we get those correct, when we have the technology to do so?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 10:42:45 GMT -5
Why can't we get those correct without the expense and time waste of the technology? Like I said, add two more line judges and each is only responsible for one line.
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Post by mikegarrison on Oct 6, 2015 11:12:01 GMT -5
Why can't we get those correct without the expense and time waste of the technology? Like I said, add two more line judges and each is only responsible for one line. Why? Because people are notoriously bad at making line calls. Our vision doesn't work that way. It doesn't matter if you have two line judges or four. They can be looking right at the play and just plain see it wrong. That's why every sport that can afford it has gone to using replay for line shots -- because replay proves that line judges just see it wrong sometimes. Why do you think it's not important enough to get the call right? I swear, you sound like a crotchety old geezer. There are simple ways to cut down on coaches using replay to stall the match. The easiest one is just that you only have as many challenges as you have timeouts remaining, and if you lose a challenge you lose a time out. (R1 could still call for a replay even without a coaching challenge, but wouldn't do so just to slow down the play.)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 11:23:52 GMT -5
I think I've explained why, crotchety or no. It takes too much time and it's going to cost too much money.
And you're changing your story. Originally this was about obviously blown calls. I think that has to do with sheer incompetence, not the human eye -- and can be fixed by using better line judges or four of them.
If this is now about getting the calls right that the human eye cannot see -- you know, when the ball compresses around the line -- who cares? It's not that big of a deal. Again, not worth the time and money AND just like the micro touches I am "obsessed" with. Don't hit it that close if you want it called in! There's no talent in hitting the outer 1/64" of a line.
You act as if instant replay hasn't effected other sports for the worse. It has.
By the way, I don't like losing a timeout. I prefer my yellow card suggestion. The problem with losing one is you might not have any. Are you supposed to save one, just in case?
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Post by oshkoshdadmjs on Oct 6, 2015 11:32:43 GMT -5
None of us are on your lawn, stop telling us to get off it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2015 12:25:06 GMT -5
You are. And get the hell off it.
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