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Post by volleyfan24 on Oct 5, 2015 15:40:15 GMT -5
To each their own, but I think continuing to pick a team that was just beat at home, two of the sets not even be close, #1, over an undefeated team who just beat a top 5 team, and also has wins against #7, #12, #16, and #20, 3 of them on the road (whereas PSU is all at home), is pretty absurd too. I'm not saying it's the SAME as the stanford vote, but I surely think both are unjustified. Without a head-to-head result, I could see a voter looking at results against common opponents. PSU swept Stanford. USC beat Stanford 3-2. Under that microscope - I don't think it's necessarily "absurd." Again, I agree that USC should be #1 at this point. I just wouldn't compare the Stanford vote to this situation. Your logic is flawed cause by that same token PSU almost lost to Minnesota at home in 5 and Stanford swept Minnesota in 3 at home.
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Post by HappyVolley on Oct 5, 2015 15:42:53 GMT -5
Please. While I don't think PSU should be ranked #1, it's extremely difficult to compare USC, Texas and PSU at this point and an argument for PSU (who only has one close loss and victories over 3 top 16 teams) is not totally absurd. Picking Stanford number 1 over an undefeated PSU team that just SWEPT them, is absurd. To each their own, but I think continuing to pick a team that was just beat at home, two of the sets not even be close, #1, over an undefeated team who just beat a top 5 team, and also has wins against #7, #12, #16, and #20, 3 of them on the road (whereas PSU is all at home), is pretty absurd too. I'm not saying it's the SAME as the stanford vote, but I surely think both are unjustified. One is unjustified. The other is just freakin' nuts.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 5, 2015 15:43:07 GMT -5
Its open season in the NCAA volleyball world looking at the current top 16. I think any team could make a deep run and win the national championship. Any in the top 16? Strongly disagree. Depending on the draw I could easily see at least 4 not even making regionals.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Oct 5, 2015 15:56:55 GMT -5
Its open season in the NCAA volleyball world looking at the current top 16. I think any team could make a deep run and win the national championship. Any in the top 16? Strongly disagree. Depending on the draw I could easily see at least 4 not even making regionals. Such as. No team to me is just being a dominant force. No one looks unbeatable. All the top 16 I think have a shot. Of course a lot of volleyball left before December but I think this post season should be very interesting as I think we have more contenders than ever before and its also not the traditional blue bloods. PSU and Stanford have arguably played for the NC the last 2 seasons. One or both of those teams may not even make the Final Four.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 16:00:22 GMT -5
All the top 16 have a shot in a single match. The "problem" come tournament time is that you have to string at least 4 decent matches together. That's much harder to do as you move toward the 2nd eight of the 16.
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Post by Barefoot In Kailua on Oct 5, 2015 16:01:11 GMT -5
The current AVCA poll doesn't confirm your argument. It merely confirms that much of the voting coaches are as irrational in their placement of Stanford as you are. Where would you put Stanford in your ranking? They are a top 8 team and that is saying something considering the issues they have faced thus far and please don't tell me you were thinking Hawaii should be ranked ahead of them. I like Hawaii but they haven't played as tough a schedule. Just to put things into perspective for everyone who is in doubt of Stanford look at all their losses. 3 of their losses are to teams receiving number 1 votes in the current poll, 2 of those teams are undefeated ASU and USC. All top 5 teams. 1 of those losses is to North Carolina on the road and that team is receiving votes. Stanford has no bad losses and some good wins. They have beat the current #11 Minnesota, #13 Illinois and #14 Arizona. So now tell me why does Stanford now deserve to not be in the top 10 or ranked so high. I would put Stanford at 10, and yes behind Hawai'i. USC Arizona State Texas Penn State Washington Nebraska Hawaii Kansas Ohio State Stanford
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Post by buckybadger8 on Oct 5, 2015 16:01:33 GMT -5
All the top 16 have a shot in a single match. The "problem" come tournament time is that you have to string at least 4 decent matches together. That's much harder to do as you move toward the 2nd eight of the 16. Michigan 2012. No one saw it coming.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 5, 2015 16:02:42 GMT -5
Where are all the PSU fans who questioned stanford receiving first place votes after losing? PSU has received 2 and VERY well know if it was ANY other team not named PSU, that wouldn't be happening. Dorothy seems to be the only one questioning it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 16:05:00 GMT -5
All the top 16 have a shot in a single match. The "problem" come tournament time is that you have to string at least 4 decent matches together. That's much harder to do as you move toward the 2nd eight of the 16. Michigan 2012. No one saw it coming. It can happen. But Michigan didn't do it.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 5, 2015 16:06:21 GMT -5
Why is Oregon still ranked?
Best win is Utah in 3-2....
and they bad losses.
They CAN be good, but haven't proved it yet.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 5, 2015 16:06:40 GMT -5
All the top 16 have a shot in a single match. The "problem" come tournament time is that you have to string at least 4 decent matches together. That's much harder to do as you move toward the 2nd eight of the 16. Michigan 2012. No one saw it coming. so that's 1 example out of how many teams? and that's just to the final four. Nobody is saying it CAN'T be done, BYU did last year unseeded and got even farther, but how often DOES it happen? not often at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 16:07:29 GMT -5
Stanford did it. That's about it, I think.
What was UCLA seeded? I forget.
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 5, 2015 16:07:15 GMT -5
To each their own, but I think continuing to pick a team that was just beat at home, two of the sets not even be close, #1, over an undefeated team who just beat a top 5 team, and also has wins against #7, #12, #16, and #20, 3 of them on the road (whereas PSU is all at home), is pretty absurd too. I'm not saying it's the SAME as the stanford vote, but I surely think both are unjustified. One is unjustified. The other is just freakin' nuts. No its not justified. PSU lost. They shouldn't be receiving first place votes. Simple as that. Unless second place was some far out of the way team. But USC, ASU, and Texas all have proven they are still winning. For the record, I don't care either way, its just some of you PSU fans nearly died from that one stanford vote, and emailed her, yet have no problem with this?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 5, 2015 16:09:05 GMT -5
Stanford did it. That's about it, I think. What was UCLA seeded? I forget. 9
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 5, 2015 16:09:34 GMT -5
One is unjustified. The other is just freakin' nuts. No its not justified. PSU lost. They shouldn't be receiving first place votes. Simple as that. Unless second place was some far out of the way team. But USC, ASU, and Texas all have proven they are still winning. I think when you compare PSU to Texas (who has also lost, at home) or perhaps even ASU, the argument becomes murkier, but against USC, I see ZERO justification other than "fluke loss", which is patently unfair and could be applied to the Stanford vote.
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