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Post by WahineFan44 on Oct 5, 2015 16:11:10 GMT -5
No its not justified. PSU lost. They shouldn't be receiving first place votes. Simple as that. Unless second place was some far out of the way team. But USC, ASU, and Texas all have proven they are still winning. I think when you compare PSU to Texas (who has also lost, at home) or perhaps even ASU, the argument becomes murkier, but against USC, I see ZERO justification other than "fluke loss", which is patently unfair and could be applied to the Stanford vote. True. Honestly though, had there not be such a commotion, I probably wouldn't even care. I would scratch my head, like I did the stratford vote, but wouldn't think too much about it, but certain PSU fans threw such a hissy. Yet you see 0 USC fans getting mad.
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Post by buckybadger8 on Oct 5, 2015 16:16:30 GMT -5
Michigan 2012. No one saw it coming. so that's 1 example out of how many teams? and that's just to the final four. Nobody is saying it CAN'T be done, BYU did last year unseeded and got even farther, but how often DOES it happen? not often at all. Why don't you chill out man? It was just an example. I gave one example. You're correct. So what? Never said anyone was right nor wrong. Chill.
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Post by volleyfan24 on Oct 5, 2015 16:30:13 GMT -5
Michigan 2012. No one saw it coming. so that's 1 example out of how many teams? and that's just to the final four. Nobody is saying it CAN'T be done, BYU did last year unseeded and got even farther, but how often DOES it happen? not often at all. You do realize that you are proving yourself wrong. 2 of the last 4 years it has happened. Also UCLA the year they won wasn't a top 8 seed. That's pretty often It can happen. The only team I would say is a lock in my mind for the Final Four is USC, if I am any team I don't want to be placed in that regional. Bricio and Company look to be on a mission.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 16:35:57 GMT -5
No, the premise was that any of the top 16 could go on a run and WIN IT ALL, not that they could go on a run. It just doesn't happen.
UCLA, at 9, is the closest to that happening, since Stanford at 12 or 13 or whatever the hell they were. Grumble, grumble, grumble.
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Post by Cruz'n on Oct 5, 2015 16:45:30 GMT -5
No, the premise was that any of the top 16 could go on a run and WIN IT ALL, not that they could go on a run. It just doesn't happen. UCLA, at 9, is the closest to that happening, since Stanford at 12 or 13 or whatever the hell they were. Grumble, grumble, grumble. Stanford was an 11.
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Post by HappyVolley on Oct 5, 2015 16:45:43 GMT -5
One is unjustified. The other is just freakin' nuts. No its not justified. PSU lost. They shouldn't be receiving first place votes. Simple as that. Unless second place was some far out of the way team. But USC, ASU, and Texas all have proven they are still winning. For the record, I don't care either way, its just some of you PSU fans nearly died from that one stanford vote, and emailed her, yet have no problem with this? You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 16:49:37 GMT -5
What's a roading compression skull?
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Post by volleyballfan99 on Oct 5, 2015 16:50:11 GMT -5
There will be more shake ups in the Top 10 as the Conference season goes on. Arizona State still has to play Washington and USC, and they have to play each team twice more. Kansas still has to play to Texas twice. The B1G conference has just started and you have seen what has been happening. Same with the PAC-12 conference. What is scary for the NCAA Tournament Selection committee, is to have a Hawaii that could end being ranked as high as 4 or 5, and not be seeded. This could happen if the Wahine win out, the B1G and PAC-12 teams beat up on each other.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2015 16:52:47 GMT -5
Kansas will only be affected, ratings-wise, if they lose to someone other than Texas. And the top Pac12 teams will fuel each other's ratings. Again, the only way they fall out of the top 10 is to lose to teams out of the top 10.
Things are starting to get locked down.
Of course, the B1G and Pac teams DO lose to teams out of the top 10. But will Kansas?
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Post by volleyballfan99 on Oct 5, 2015 17:08:27 GMT -5
Kansas will only be affected, ratings-wise, if they lose to someone other than Texas. And the top Pac12 teams will fuel each other's ratings. Again, the only way they fall out of the top 10 is to lose to teams out of the top 10. Things are starting to get locked down. Of course, the B1G and Pac teams DO lose to teams out of the top 10. But will Kansas? Are you telling me, if Kansas loses to Texas twice, and badly, they will not fall out of the Top 10? I believe they will.
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Post by paloalto on Oct 5, 2015 17:14:57 GMT -5
On the road Stanford at times doesn't look like a top 25 team. At home they look alright. I have no problem putting Stanford outside the top 15. It really doesn't matter. RPI near tournament time is all that matters.
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Post by HappyVolley on Oct 5, 2015 17:16:23 GMT -5
What's a roading compression skull? It sounds a lot like what happened to you and largely explains most of your posts.
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Post by flvoldad on Oct 5, 2015 17:24:35 GMT -5
So basically the Pac 12 and Big 10 will dominate the first and second seeds in all 4 regions. Wow. What a joke.
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Post by ay2013 on Oct 5, 2015 17:31:04 GMT -5
so that's 1 example out of how many teams? and that's just to the final four. Nobody is saying it CAN'T be done, BYU did last year unseeded and got even farther, but how often DOES it happen? not often at all. You do realize that you are proving yourself wrong. 2 of the last 4 years it has happened. Also UCLA the year they won wasn't a top 8 seed. That's pretty often It can happen. The only team I would say is a lock in my mind for the Final Four is USC, if I am any team I don't want to be placed in that regional. Bricio and Company look to be on a mission. Well I suppose we need to quantify some of this. What I'm saying is that it's rare for non top teams to make the final four. Ruffda said win the title. I said nothing of top 8, but ok, if you want to take that, lets run with it. These are the teams since 2006 that were NOT either a top 8 seed/top 8 ranked team heading into the tournament that made the final four 2014- BYU 2013- Wisconsin 2013- Michigan 2011- FSU 2009- Minnesota Only 2 of these teams reached the finals and none won. that's 13% by my calculation. That's not very often in my book. I think an argument can be made that more parity has given rise to more teams doing it (3 in the last 3 years) but I would need to see a larger data range to make the statement.
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Post by Babar on Oct 5, 2015 17:34:32 GMT -5
If there was an actuarial table for winning the 2015 national championship Penn State would be at least a 50% favorite followed by USC and Texas. Nebraska, Stanford, and Florida have the players to compete at that level but they have challenges. History is not on Florida's side and, the NCAA champion has always had at least one, if not more, players capable of being a player of the year candidate. I'm not sure Nebraska or Stanford has a player that will be considered. The coaches poll tends to reflect who the voters believe are capable of advancing the furthest in the tournament. If that was not a consideration, ASU, and Kansas would be ranked much higher. IMO
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