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Post by Badger Alum on Nov 29, 2015 11:02:42 GMT -5
It really isn't that important to me. But the biggest difference between Minnesota and Wisconsin (and 1st and 3rd) is Daly Santana. Any one of the three would be a fine choice. But the fact there is a Setter of the Year award also makes a difference, to me (and an FoY, for that matter). I respect your opinion but disagree. No way Wisconsin finishes third with any other setter. Santana may be their best player, and the motor for Minny, but Carlini is to me a total deal changer. Santana would win based on her great play, but also her TEAMS finish, Carlini would win based on her play despite her teams finish. I'd have no problem with Santana winning, she and her team had a great year, I just think Carlini should win. I completely agree with Dorothy here. Carlini brought her game to another level this year and she was elite last year. She's finally healthy and, imo, the best volleyball player in the entire country. Not just the Big 10. Her leadership skills really advanced this year. This Badger team was not very good to start the year and now they are playing excellent. That's a compliment to many people, not just Carlini. But she is truly their leader and playing phenomenally while she makes everyone else around her good too. I have no idea if she wins it or not. And, I really don't care because I want to see them win the whole thing. I don't care about individual awards that much. But I don't see anyone in all of college volleyball playing at Carlini's level right now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 11:53:19 GMT -5
"Right now" being the operative term.
It's Player of the Year.
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Post by bballnut90 on Nov 29, 2015 12:48:44 GMT -5
Carlini is the best player, but I think it will go to Santana. Unlike some other sports, individual rewards seem to always go to a player for the winning team. If you look at a history of B1G POYs, they almost always win or finish top 2 in conference play. NPOY has gone to a player playing in the Final Four for the last 20-30 years with the exception being Stacey Gordon, who was co-POY (even though IMO it really should have gone to her solely over Ogonna). In the regionals that year, Gordon had a 30+ kill effort to pull OSU in to the regional finals, and in the finals she had 44 kills I believe hit near .400, but didn't get the regional MOP because her team didn't win. On the same token, if Wisconsin makes the Final Four and USC doesn't, I think POY goes to Carlini a la Hancock over Carlini last year, or Lloyd over Klineman in 2010.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 13:08:01 GMT -5
This is B1G POY. Post-season play will have no bearing.
I find it pointless to compare outside hitters (all-around OHs no less) with setters, especially in terms of who is "the better volleyball player." Luckily, there's a setter of the year award so we don't have to.
I'm fine with SSS as PoY, however, if we want to compromise.
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 29, 2015 13:18:01 GMT -5
I have no problems with Santana getting the B1G POY award.
I also believe Carlini is the best player; without her WI certainly would not be seeded, and it's conceivable they might have even had a hard time making the NCAAs given the turnover. Carlini has been the center that holds the team together and gives them focus.
But Santana is the heart and soul of Minnesota and has carried a huge load for them. You may argue that SSS may be even more important, but it is always hard to assess the contribution of setters, and she is a freshman.
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Post by Wiswell on Nov 29, 2015 13:36:19 GMT -5
Has Poy ever come from a team not the conference champion?
Fwiw, I think it's Santana.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 13:38:34 GMT -5
Yes. Gordon, for one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2015 13:40:24 GMT -5
Turner in 2011.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Nov 29, 2015 14:57:32 GMT -5
Already mentioned is Sheff for coach of the year, I would agree with that. Nobody in the conference lost more than Wisconsin did and nobody made a more dramatic change as the season progressed. Minnesota had a rough patch or two early on losing to Stanford and PSU when both teams were most likely at their strongest, Wis lost to a strong WKU and Arkansas team and looked bad doing both. The way that he has created a lineup and team out of 4 returning players (Carlini, Morey, Bates and Nelson) and finished with 12 in a row easily beating most of the teams that others struggled with (Purdue, OSU, Mich for example) shows what he did to get his team ready for the big time.
Of course the winner usually gets the most awards and with Minn taking conference after not even making the tournament is also a dramatic turn around. But he basically had his entire team back plus SSS
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Post by Wiswell on Nov 29, 2015 15:05:29 GMT -5
No way will it be Sheffield. If he didn't get it in 2013 after taking a 17-15 team from 2012 and ending them at the regular season at 4th in the Big Ten, a post season seeded bid, and a trip to the finals later, he ain't going to get it now.
McCutcheon is deserving. He ALSO took a team that didn't make the tournament the previous season, but in this scenario led them to the Big Ten Championship. In addition, he outperformed the official prognostications (not the VT ones, the published ones) for the team, whereas the Badgers did not (I can't remember what the projection was for the Badgers - but I think it was around 3-4 in conference).
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Post by badgerbreath on Nov 29, 2015 15:06:50 GMT -5
But he basically had his entire team back plus SSS To be fair, after last year that didn't seem like an advantage. He somehow turned the whole attitude of the team around. I don't see how anyone else wins it but Hugh. That said, Sheff and Co have done a simply amazing job. Better than last year even.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 29, 2015 15:17:57 GMT -5
IMO if you win that league you should be COY unless someone does something EXTRAORDINARY. It was not very long ago where a lot of people, including a lot of Minnesota people were doubting if Hugh would get it done. That is an exceptionally well trained team, the players have gotten so much better, they are very well prepared, low error and steady.
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Post by dorothymantooth on Nov 29, 2015 15:56:07 GMT -5
I like to think of the mvp or poy as a draft selection based on each players play this season. Using that line of thinking is how I come up with Carlini, becuase I just couldnt imagine drafting anyone in that league higher, or even thinking about for more than a second.
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Post by hammer on Nov 29, 2015 16:07:21 GMT -5
No, I like my list a lot. Really, it is hard to question it. I understand you thought I was a Badger homer. But everyone on this board knows I'm not. Why Sheff for COY? I like what Sheff has done with all the turnover from 2014 and how he's molded Carlini into even a more complete player. Strategically, he makes good in-game decisions and his team by team prep is as good as anyone.
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Post by jiml on Nov 29, 2015 17:14:38 GMT -5
While the B1G did not vote Sheff coach of the year in 2013, volleyball magazine did :-)
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