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Post by HawaiiVB on Jun 30, 2016 19:22:32 GMT -5
One big factor in helping make the BW a power conference is making football a mandatory sport. So I would add-on the required women's sports to be able to add-on another men's sport like football. Not sure I know the formula to be in compliance with Title IX. Then the BW could maybe have its own tv channel or perhaps have a major tv partner deal which would increase recruiting in all sports. I know the BW contracts with the Fox Sports Network currently. If money is an issue, change or exempt the individual state laws regarding higher public education to allow private sponsorship of college athletics. I know Hawai'i has strict laws regarding the procurement process for UH. As proven elsewhere, the marketing potential of the BW can be a huge draw for Big Business. Football is key in order for the BW to compete with the Power conferences. Imagine the potential for homegrown talent to remain at home if football became a reality for most BW schools. Hawai'i is the only BW school with football. I know its wishful thinking, but the landscape of College Athletics will continue to change and the BW could become obsolete if it doesn't do something. This conference has some of the best public schools around so I think its worth supporting. CAL POLY and UC Davis also play D1 football,...be it at the FCS level. Long Beach, CSUF, CSUN and UCSB once all played football. But, couldn't make it work financially and dropped the sport,...probably to add soccer. That's what I am talking about. If its about money, why not entertain the private/public relationship? Situation is different today then when they stopped football. With the stipends schools can provide for athletes, this is a great way to generate money.
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Post by jake on Jul 1, 2016 11:29:24 GMT -5
CAL POLY and UC Davis also play D1 football,...be it at the FCS level. Long Beach, CSUF, CSUN and UCSB once all played football. But, couldn't make it work financially and dropped the sport,...probably to add soccer. That's what I am talking about. If its about money, why not entertain the private/public relationship? Situation is different today then when they stopped football. With the stipends schools can provide for athletes, this is a great way to generate money. Not sure I follow your explanation. You are talking about a school spending $millions just to provide the necessary scholarships to put student-athletes on the field. Add all the coaches' salaries and equipment.
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jul 1, 2016 15:05:58 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/sports/ncaafootball/Big-10-realignment.html?_r=0I can't it would take to long. This old article will help explain. The bottom line is, football is the sport that drives the economic bus. Schools that are creative, have jumped on the bus and rode it to heaven. Big picture, conferences that do not have football will become obsolete, thus discussing what Women's team will win the BW Volleyball Championship could be nill. All I am suggesting is, is that the BW rethink its stand to not provide football as a sport. In order to have the BW try to compete with the Power conferences. And if a school doesn't have the money to do so, have big business foot the bill because as indicated in the article, football money trickles down to most of the other areas of the campus and the state its in. So instead of saying we can't afford it, I am saying, look at the possibilities to make it happen. And perhaps in the future, the BW could be known as a football power house conference which would help all its sports, including volleyball. And an example; have a company like Hawaiian Airlines build Manoa's new stadium, have the state allow for easier building requirements, give HA the master lease for x amount of years after which it reverts to UH. Hawaiian Airlines will make millions in cross marketing which could help fund UH's many programs. And when the TV rights come in to play, they could use that money for other conference funding as well, such as Student Athlete scholarships.
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Post by dd2000 on Jul 1, 2016 18:26:19 GMT -5
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/10/03/sports/ncaafootball/Big-10-realignment.html?_r=0I can't it would take to long. This old article will help explain. The bottom line is, football is the sport that drives the economic bus. Schools that are creative, have jumped on the bus and rode it to heaven. Big picture, conferences that do not have football will become obsolete, thus discussing what Women's team will win the BW Volleyball Championship could be nill. All I am suggesting is, is that the BW rethink its stand to not provide football as a sport. In order to have the BW try to compete with the Power conferences. And if a school doesn't have the money to do so, have big business foot the bill because as indicated in the article, football money trickles down to most of the other areas of the campus and the state its in. So instead of saying we can't afford it, I am saying, look at the possibilities to make it happen. And perhaps in the future, the BW could be known as a football power house conference which would help all its sports, including volleyball. And an example; have a company like Hawaiian Airlines build Manoa's new stadium, have the state allow for easier building requirements, give HA the master lease for x amount of years after which it reverts to UH. Hawaiian Airlines will make millions in cross marketing which could help fund UH's many programs. And when the TV rights come in to play, they could use that money for other conference funding as well, such as Student Athlete scholarships. Interest creates money which creates business partnership. Lack of interest means lack of money which means no business partnership. Its easy to see why some schools are successful at it and some are not. Another way to look at it, is to say you are going to start with nothing, and create an empire that competes with the likes of google, or Facebook, or Apple. Its not going to happen. You are not that entity, and you will never compete with that entity.
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Post by jake on Jul 2, 2016 12:28:07 GMT -5
If, the Big West Conference wants to become more dynamic in college sports ,...than do it in MBasketball & WVolleyball.
Two programs which are already in place and just need more $$$ and more investors to climb to the top.
Forget the Football notions and concentrate all resources on these two programs.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 2, 2016 16:01:25 GMT -5
If, the Big West Conference wants to become more dynamic in college sports ,...than do it in MBasketball & WVolleyball. Two programs which are already in place and just need more $$$ and more investors to climb to the top. Forget the Football notions and concentrate all resources on these two programs. why in hades would the Big West follow that advice and sink excessive money into MBB?? it's akin to chasing football dreams the Big West sweet spot sports are WVB, Baseball, & Soccer & MVB and with Soccer, MVB, Baseball - in those men's sports the Big West can, and DOES, compete nationally largely because those are all partial schollie sports on the men's side - and thus the playing field is level (or at least more level than in basketball ) you have to spend some on MBB, but face it competing nationally in the other sports is much more doable
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Post by jake on Jul 2, 2016 16:36:55 GMT -5
Thought it was obvious,...$$$.
If, you can name any other sport that generates more dollars (excluding FB) I love to hear.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 2, 2016 18:40:42 GMT -5
Thought it was obvious,...$$$. If, you can name any other sport that generates more dollars (excluding FB) I love to hear. lol - you are the one that said to put ALL resources into two sports. You really think if the Big West dumps money away from their successful sports and into MBB, it'll really pay a dividend?? I'd love to hear why you think that would really have the intended desire. it's like saying Fullerton should divert their focus (and $$$) from a NATIONAL PERENIALLY CONTENDING baseball program and into their dumpster fire that at present is their basketball program. Do you even have a clue how unfathomably idiotic that would be? You do realize SB has won a national championship in Soccer, Irvine in MVB, Full in baseball - the Big West gets to the CWS regularly - and you are suggesting to divert precious (and small) discretionary spending into a pursuit that has about a 3% chance of getting to an Elite 8 from what at present is a SURE THING based on results? yikes!!!
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Post by jake on Jul 3, 2016 1:18:08 GMT -5
You are living in a dream world if you think winning a soccer championship is more important than getting into the semi's or quarter finals in the NCAA's in MBB.
I don't know what the conference makes for winning a soccer championship ($$$) proceed check. Doubt if it can compare with MBB winning one, two or three games in the NCAA Tournament.
My point being>>>Big West Conference schools need to remember college sports has become Big Business.
And, having a significant cash flow is the life-line to remaining competitive in all sports' programs, today, tomorrow and in the future.
ECON 101
Why do you think schools are investing so much money building huge arenas for basketball. The return on the investment potentially is the highest. Millions upon millions of dollars>>>possible.
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Post by dd2000 on Jul 3, 2016 9:26:46 GMT -5
You are living in a dream world if you think winning a soccer championship is more important than getting into the semi's or quarter finals in the NCAA's in MBB. I don't know what the conference makes for winning a soccer championship ($$$) proceed check. Doubt if it can compare with MBB winning one, two or three games in the NCAA Tournament. My point being>>>Big West Conference schools need to remember college sports has become Big Business. And, having a significant cash flow is the life-line to remaining competitive in all sports' programs, today, tomorrow and in the future. ECON 101 Why do you think schools are investing so much money building huge arenas for basketball. The return on the investment potentially is the highest. Millions upon millions of dollars>>>possible. Jake, the point ccman is making is that the kind of money you need to be successful in those lesser sports is there, and more importantly, the rules are in place (more level playing field). The money is not there to be big time in football or mens basketball. Unless you know some one at the Federal Reserve that is willing to print some free money for you, its not happening. Sad yes, but true.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 3, 2016 10:16:14 GMT -5
You are living in a dream world if you think winning a soccer championship is more important than getting into the semi's or quarter finals in the NCAA's in MBB. I don't know what the conference makes for winning a soccer championship ($$$) proceed check. Doubt if it can compare with MBB winning one, two or three games in the NCAA Tournament. My point being>>>Big West Conference schools need to remember college sports has become Big Business. And, having a significant cash flow is the life-line to remaining competitive in all sports' programs, today, tomorrow and in the future. ECON 101 Why do you think schools are investing so much money building huge arenas for basketball. The return on the investment potentially is the highest. Millions upon millions of dollars>>>possible. Jake, the point ccman is making is that the kind of money you need to be successful in those lesser sports is there, and more importantly, the rules are in place (more level playing field). The money is not there to be big time in football or mens basketball. Unless you know some one at the Federal Reserve that is willing to print some free money for you, its not happening. Sad yes, but true. actually I would rather have my team win a Soccer (or VB) National championship and get to the sweet 16 regularly in those sports than making the Sweet 16 once every 10 to 20 years in MBB I am waiting to find out where Cal Poly will get that $1-2 mil a year for MBB(for coaches pay, guarantees, recruiting budget, oh and also throw more $$ down the drain that is known as D1 women's basketball just to keep in compliance, .) - and even then not be able to get BCS schools to come play in their arena or get recruits to come, oh unless he's also got a $100 mil or so to build a new arena - then again of course I guess they could just not fund half the schollies in all the other sports and as a result lose almost every non-conference match and further drag down the Big West RPI in those sports at the dead bottom of D1 - as for Jake's Cal Poly, he can kiss away being ranked #1 in baseball again, forget dominating cross-country, and enjoy having his VB team fall below Riverside & Fullerton year after year - all so Callero can get the basketball team to a 3rd place finish in the Big West!! good luck on that one
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Post by jake on Jul 4, 2016 15:11:20 GMT -5
Of course everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion.
But, like I said before college D1 sports is big business.
And, winning a MVB, soccer, WVB, baseball and softball championships are great and boost a conference's bragging rights, however, they are merely 'window dressing'. And, for the most part most people couldn't tell you who won what from year to year in minor sports' programs.
The CAL POLY and UHawai'i MBB teams' wins in the NCAA in 2014 and 2016 were huge. They will/have increased the coffers for each school in the conference significantly. We are probably talking $millions.
The objective here is to start getting more than one Big West Conference school into the MBB NCAA's each year.
If, getting that done means funding 10-15% more of a school's athletic budget for MBB>>>do it!
Once the conference starts getting two or more schools in the NCAA Tournament, there will be that much more funds available for minor sports' programs. Right now you are putting the cart before the horse. Again>>>ECON 101.
statista.com/statistics/219586/revenue-returned-to-its-members-by-the-ncaa/
Conference Revenue from MBB NCAA Tournament.........$Millions Conference Revenue from WVB NCAA Tournament........$0.0(?) Conference Revenue from Baseball NCAA Tournament...$0.0(?)
If, conferences are getting revenue from the NCAA for participating in minor sports' programs post season play, I am not aware.
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Post by bill on Jul 4, 2016 18:21:33 GMT -5
HUGE revenue for a conference that has very litte too!
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Jul 4, 2016 19:44:24 GMT -5
Of course everyone is certainly entitled to their own opinion. But, like I said before college D1 sports is big business. And, winning a MVB, soccer, WVB, baseball and softball championships are great and boost a conference's bragging rights, however, they are merely 'window dressing'. And, for the most part most people couldn't tell you who won what from year to year in minor sports' programs. The CAL POLY and UHawai'i MBB teams' wins in the NCAA in 2014 and 2016 were huge. They will/have increased the coffers for each school in the conference significantly. We are probably talking $millions. The objective here is to start getting more than one Big West Conference school into the MBB NCAA's each year. If, getting that done means funding 10-15% more of a school's athletic budget for MBB>>>do it! Once the conference starts getting two or more schools in the NCAA Tournament, there will be that much more funds available for minor sports' programs. Right now you are putting the cart before the horse. Again>>>ECON 101.statista.com/statistics/219586/revenue-returned-to-its-members-by-the-ncaa/ Conference Revenue from MBB NCAA Tournament... ......$Millions Conference Revenue from WVB NCAA Tournament........$0.0(?) Conference Revenue from Baseball NCAA Tournament...$0.0(?) If, conferences are getting revenue from the NCAA for participating in minor sports' programs post season play, I am not aware. so just to be clear....you are advocating re-distributing about $50k from each of 16 Cal Poly sports to their Men's Basketball program to puruse MBB glory & money - and advocating that those sports each take away about 2 full schollies from those teams (including WVB, and btw which 2 players should not have their WVB schollie renewed next year?) and that money go to ?? pay increase to Callero, should he get a $200k raise after 3 stright 7th place finishes or should Poly go out and dangle $750k a year to get a better coach? his assistants each get a $50k raise? and Cal Poly provide a $50k guarantee to get, say, Creighton or Butler, or a couple other schools to come to Poly? please provide the details Jake!!! btw, before you go further, how much is each Big West school (& Cal POly) getting from the NCAA win in 2014 - do you really think it's millions? just curious!
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Post by HawaiiVB on Jul 5, 2016 1:16:51 GMT -5
With this discussion, can I just say that UH is continuing to negotiate building a new stadium, one huge roadblock is the State laws requiring a bidding process that does not allow private business to build using its own developer or development contract negotiation. UH would love to allow Hawaiian Air or multiple Hawaii-based businesses to contribute money to build the stadium and in return. they would receive the master lease for a limited time. If the laws can be amended to allow this, I am sure they could repeat the process for other facilities or expenses in order to bring FB to a larger audience. I think if all the BW schools would try this, they could find money to fund its programs.
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