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Post by dukesbeachhouse on Feb 2, 2016 9:19:26 GMT -5
So 18s just got a little easier. SPVB 18 Mizuno is dropping from the event due to the fact that their setter Paul Bischoff is going on a mission trip. The team has a back-up setter. Plus they already have a bid. Is this common practice? At every level of sports from youth sports to pros do teams actually drop when they still have enough players to field a team. Sucks to be that back up setter. Not a lot of confidence in him. Odd for Sports Performance Program to go this route kinda goes against what they stand for. I have never seen SPRI drop their #1 team from an event. I guess they are trying to protect their seed/finish from IL bid event. Why? Frozen roster excuse doesn’t work when you already have a back-up setter on the team. Would be funny if 18 Runbird finishes in top 3 at Gateway. Then they will be seeded over Mizuno. But let’s be honest they are not going to win at Nationals anyways based on this mentality of dropping out and being a quitter when you face adversity in life. Well it is official, Runbird becomes the flagship team of Sports Performance for the year. Who is running the show there? What are we teaching the kids these days? Not all about the win loss column...is it?
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Post by unlucky on Feb 2, 2016 12:08:10 GMT -5
So 18s just got a little easier. SPVB 18 Mizuno is dropping from the event due to the fact that their setter Paul Bischoff is going on a mission trip. The team has a back-up setter. Plus they already have a bid. Is this common practice? At every level of sports from youth sports to pros do teams actually drop when they still have enough players to field a team. Sucks to be that back up setter. Not a lot of confidence in him. Odd for Sports Performance Program to go this route kinda goes against what they stand for. I have never seen SPRI drop their #1 team from an event. I guess they are trying to protect their seed/finish from IL bid event. Why? Frozen roster excuse doesn’t work when you already have a back-up setter on the team. Would be funny if 18 Runbird finishes in top 3 at Gateway. Then they will be seeded over Mizuno. But let’s be honest they are not going to win at Nationals anyways based on this mentality of dropping out and being a quitter when you face adversity in life. Well it is official, Runbird becomes the flagship team of Sports Performance for the year. Who is running the show there? What are we teaching the kids these days? Not all about the win loss column...is it? yea - don't know the full story there. Bischoff missed the last weekend of Palos and Farmer set and they did just fine. My 18's 1 seeds and bid winners Roch PaceBootlegger18 Eden Mizuno 18 SPVB B18 Runbird Ultimate B18 Gold HPSTL B18 Royal YORKTOWNE 18 BLUE Ultimate B18 Blue Hitmen 18-Elite Leaside Thunder 18U Cinci Attack 18 Black D1 Chicago 18 Green - BID Milw Sting 18 Boys - BID Uno Boys18 Elite - BID Vanguard 18 Gold Albertsn Warren Sixpack 18-1 Pipeline 18-UA My 17's 1 seeds and Bid Winners Ultimate B17 Gold MVC B17-JAKE BORINQUEN COQUI 17-1M - BID Aztecs HPSTL B17 Royal Pittsburgh 17-Black YORKTOWNE 17 BLUE Vanguard 17 Gold D1 Chicago 17 Green LIVBC 17 National Pipeline 17-UA Hitmen 17-Elite Warren Sixpack 17-1 Adversity 17 Purple outside of 1 seed Club 1 17 Elite - BID BRYC 17 - BID
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Post by freeball on Feb 2, 2016 13:09:19 GMT -5
The girls side of the St Louis tourney has the waves listed: www.capitolsportscenter.com/csc/presidents_day.htmlOn Saturday, boys 14s, 15s & 18s have 8am start, 16s & 17s are 2:30pm start. Saturday's 1st/2nd place finishers play Sunday AM wave and 3rd/4th place play Sunday PM wave.
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Post by high-intensityvolleyball on Feb 2, 2016 13:57:17 GMT -5
So 18s just got a little easier. SPVB 18 Mizuno is dropping from the event due to the fact that their setter Paul Bischoff is going on a mission trip. The team has a back-up setter. Plus they already have a bid. Is this common practice? At every level of sports from youth sports to pros do teams actually drop when they still have enough players to field a team. Sucks to be that back up setter. Not a lot of confidence in him. Odd for Sports Performance Program to go this route kinda goes against what they stand for. I have never seen SPRI drop their #1 team from an event. I guess they are trying to protect their seed/finish from IL bid event. Why? Frozen roster excuse doesn’t work when you already have a back-up setter on the team. Would be funny if 18 Runbird finishes in top 3 at Gateway. Then they will be seeded over Mizuno. But let’s be honest they are not going to win at Nationals anyways based on this mentality of dropping out and being a quitter when you face adversity in life. View AttachmentWell it is official, Runbird becomes the flagship team of Sports Performance for the year. Who is running the show there? What are we teaching the kids these days? Not all about the win loss column...is it?
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Post by backrowtip on Feb 2, 2016 15:02:00 GMT -5
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Post by butterhands6 on Feb 2, 2016 15:29:48 GMT -5
what are the predicated teams to get bids for each division here?
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Feb 2, 2016 16:48:17 GMT -5
Sting is in its second season of boys club, lol, what do you mean they improve every year?
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Post by 1before2 on Feb 2, 2016 17:26:35 GMT -5
Sting 18's, for the most part, are in their 5th year (starting as 14's). The core of the team is the former West Allis Lightning team. This year they did add quite a few new players; new starting setter (playing up), new MB2, 2 of 3 OH's are new this year as well.
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Post by Gorflorg Orshforg on Feb 2, 2016 17:49:20 GMT -5
"Sting always improves as the sesaon goes on" means they are weak at the beggining of the year but when nationals come around, they are one of the top teams in the country. Nothing to do with the amount of seasons they have played. I know, that's not what I meant. Saying they always improve is silly when the club is in its second year. What would that be based on? Their one previous season? The team was partly together at WAL, with the same coach, but it's hardly the exact same group of players, even if a few key guys are holdovers.
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Post by high-intensityvolleyball on Feb 2, 2016 23:57:41 GMT -5
I've let the monumental news that 18 Mizuno has dropped from this tournament sink in for a day. I am thoroughly shocked that Sports Performance decided to set this example for its athletes. Surely the players of 18 Mizuno are disappointed, as well as their parents. In all honesty, general fans of volleyball should be disappointed to have lost the privilege to watch a truly special group of young men play. Not only are they immensely talented, they play the game the right way. Before dropping from this tournament, I fully expected this team to medal at BJNC. Now, it is evident that they are not as invincible as previously thought, maybe falling behind High Performance, Mil Sting, Ultimate Gold, and even SPRI Runbird in the midwest club volleyball hierarchy.
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Post by dos on Feb 3, 2016 0:21:15 GMT -5
I've let the monumental news that 18 Mizuno has dropped from this tournament sink in for a day. I am thoroughly shocked that Sports Performance decided to set this example for its athletes. Surely the players of 18 Mizuno are disappointed, as well as their parents. In all honesty, general fans of volleyball should be disappointed to have lost the privilege to watch a truly special group of young men play. Not only are they immensely talented, they play the game the right way. Before dropping from this tournament, I fully expected this team to medal at BJNC. Now, it is evident that they are not as invincible as previously thought, maybe falling behind High Performance, Mil Sting, Ultimate Gold, and even SPRI Runbird in the midwest club volleyball hierarchy. It's pathetic really. Nothing against the players, but the administration should be ashamed. What ever happened to the love of the game? Winning is amazing, but at what cost? Choosing to drop from a tournament because it might save their position when it comes to seeding nationals is the lowest low I've ever seen. I feel for the backup setter. What a kick in the face that is. Truly disgusted with what was once the most respected club in the Midwest.
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Post by bradk on Feb 3, 2016 9:57:22 GMT -5
Do we have confirmation that the administration is the one who pulled the plug? Was it the players who decided they did not want to go? This is the last tournament of the season for them before high school season starts. Are players burned out and do not have the drive to travel 4.5 hours for a tournament that pretty much is meaningless for them. I do not know any of the story, just throwing another theory out there.
As for bids, it is great to make predictions however it all comes down to the seeding committee on who will get the bids. The top 16 teams should make gold with the 17-20 teams having a shot on Day 2 to move up into spots 13-16. However the match ups that occur in the first round of gold will basically determine who gets bids.
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Post by vbsavage63 on Feb 3, 2016 10:40:04 GMT -5
I hope the SPRI parents are getting a refund . . . Seriously, if the bid tournaments did not matter after you've already earned a bid, then that is a motivational issue. Great to get the pressure off and earn that bid early, then continue to prove yourself for Nationals seeding consideration. Also, if you REALLY are that good, and if you falter a bit during the last qualifier and you end up seeded lower (in your mind), you can make it up the first day of Nationals by winning your pool and resetting the seeding. There are way too many complaints about seeding and positioning, which was noted many times on the Winter Championships board a few weeks back. This, indeed, is why they play the games! Let your team's performance do the talking instead!
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Post by dukesbeachhouse on Feb 3, 2016 10:49:11 GMT -5
Do we have confirmation that the administration is the one who pulled the plug? Was it the players who decided they did not want to go? This is the last tournament of the season for them before high school season starts. Are players burned out and do not have the drive to travel 4.5 hours for a tournament that pretty much is meaningless for them. I do not know any of the story, just throwing another theory out there. As for bids, it is great to make predictions however it all comes down to the seeding committee on who will get the bids. The top 16 teams should make gold with the 17-20 teams having a shot on Day 2 to move up into spots 13-16. However the match ups that occur in the first round of gold will basically determine who gets bids. The administration is Director and coach of 18 Mizuno - Troy Gilb. He pulled the plug. I guess SPVB has turned into a democracy if the players decided. If they are burnt out and don't want to travel 4.5 hours, then they are NOT tough enough to be champions. This goes against everything that is SPRI.
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Post by intheknow5 on Feb 3, 2016 12:14:28 GMT -5
Do we have confirmation that the administration is the one who pulled the plug? Was it the players who decided they did not want to go? This is the last tournament of the season for them before high school season starts. Are players burned out and do not have the drive to travel 4.5 hours for a tournament that pretty much is meaningless for them. I do not know any of the story, just throwing another theory out there. As for bids, it is great to make predictions however it all comes down to the seeding committee on who will get the bids. The top 16 teams should make gold with the 17-20 teams having a shot on Day 2 to move up into spots 13-16. However the match ups that occur in the first round of gold will basically determine who gets bids. The administration is Director and coach of 18 Mizuno - Troy Gilb. He pulled the plug. I guess SPVB has turned into a democracy if the players decided. If they are burnt out and don't want to travel 4.5 hours, then they are NOT tough enough to be champions. This goes against everything that is SPRI. Why does anyone care what they chose to do? How does that affect anyone personally? They have nothing left to prove regionally. They are the top 18s Illinois team. They got their bid. They will go to Nationals....not win Nationals just like always so why is this such a big deal?
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