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Post by teriheck3778 on Jul 18, 2016 14:12:23 GMT -5
I'm curious to hear a response to this... his last alleged "attack" or whatever is 30 years ago, right? So who would be protected, were he to be banned now? We talk about colleges who break rules for 20 years and then the current players have to serve a postseason ban because athletes received illegal benefits in 1993. Consensus is that is pointless so why the desire among so many people to see him banned now, at the twilight of his career? Because he is a monster. Period.
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Post by 642fiddi on Jul 18, 2016 14:22:33 GMT -5
Another question for this topic. There are two competing facts here. Rick Butler's image is tarnished. Rick Butler is a fantastic coach and volleyball businessman. If he were to retire, and sell Sports Performance and all of it's properties (the great lakes center, the volleyshop, the club, the camps, the educational products, the tournaments, etc) would the empire be worth more with the Butlers and their talents on staff for a period of time, or without the Butler's and the baggage that comes with the name? His image has been tarnished for some time now, and that is why it is so confusing that all his supporters defend him like their lives depend on it. What makes it more disgusting is that some truly believe that he did no wrong and when he is brought up in conversation they get offended and tell you not to speak about him like that. He will never, ever, apologize- the man thinks he did no wrong. It would be a total admission of guilt and contradict the 30+ years of denial him and Cheryl have done, not to mention the public humiliation they have put the victims through and anyone with a strong enough voice who spoke up and garnered attention from the public. (Google the Kay Rogness/Cheryl Butler message board spat that is online somewhere) From my understanding the club as en entity (club/facility/volleyshop/power league/etc.) has a price tag over $10,000,000.00. While the Sports Performance name may still attract the top talent if ever sold, without Rick being the supreme ruler can the staff that is leftover from an eventual departure hold the brand and its standard? While I am sure they are confident they can do so, none of them are the ones that built the empire.....they just happened to pass through it as a player, coach, or both. This will never go away, he broke that trust that is so important between players and coaches, and instilled that fear all parents worry about when your child sometimes spends more time with the coach during season than they do with their families. It will be very interesting what AAU does moving forward as Jenny has already publicly spoken on the matter that JVA stands behind him. If anyone from AAU does read this thread I hope that someone is in the ears of the board reminding them in this situation Too Little is never Too Late. Crazy to think where the club or Rick would be today if Twitter alone, not to mention the depths these sports bloggers and investigative journalists go to these days were around. I am the parent of a club player, coach, and ex college and professional player and am appalled at what I have been reading about Rick Butler(RB) . I know Julie Bremner Romias. I do not know the other recently named victims. I have never met Rick Butler. Questions I have asked myself the last few days are. Why are AAU participating clubs allowing this to go on . By not protesting the lack of sanctions against a known sexual predator don’t they realize they are complicit? Why is the AAU not prohibiting SPVC from participating in AAU events as long as RB is involved? Why is the NCAA not acting to keep their coaches from recruiting at AAU events until RB is banned? Why is the AVCA not pressuring its coaches to not coach or attend AAU events until RB is no longer allowed to be involved in club volleyball. I don’t want to hear from anyone who says that the kids will be punished if SPVC is sanctioned. There are other clubs that they can migrate to. Our jobs as parents are to protect our children and to warn families that may not be aware of impending danger. If it requires us to protect children from themselves ,so be it.To let this continue makes us as parents complicit. When I attend tournaments I am often taken by the slogans I see printed on t shirts touting integrity, caring cooperation etc., and yet we stand idly by while a sexual predator is in our midst. The hypocrisy saddens me. With all that being said, I make these proposals/suggestions: That all clubs refuse to play SPVB clubs until Rick Butler is removed from AAU participation. That AAU clubs not enter any AAU tournaments until Rick Butler is removed from all volleyball events. That all club parents pressure their clubs to not enter AAU events until Rick Butler is removed. That all NCAA coaches do no recruiting at AAU events until Rick Butler is removed. That the AVCA coaches refuse to attend any AAU events until RB is removed. Every day that Rick Butler is still involved makes the AAU,AVCA,NCAA and all AAU member clubs and AAU club parents complicit. This is everyone's business. For the groups and organizations to know this is going on and not acting is unconscionable. There is only one way the AAU will ever be forced to act. Public pressure resulting in lost revenue.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jul 18, 2016 15:23:26 GMT -5
642fiddi:
You are 100% spot on! You need to add JVA and PrepVolleyball.com to your list as well. JVA for all reasons previously addressed and PrepVolleyball for signing a big agreement ($$$) with JVA and for covering JVA and SP hosted events. Remember this quote from the JVA executive director Jenny Hahn "that while it is not proper for coaches to have sexual relationships with players, she would trust Butler with her daughters or granddaughters." If she is not fired from JVA immediately then they should be on top of your list.
And while the occasional poster that attempts to defend RB by attempting to steer the topic to a less sinister plain will come around...95% of the volleyball world agrees with you.
I will say that I have brought up not attending AAU events and SP events to our club in protest of RB being involved (along with AAU's other child molestors that were aloud to fester at the top of their organization) and I have also been met with silence. It really is bizarre how these clubs talk out of both sides of their mouths. They have a conduct code for players and parents and a mission statement for the club that read like parts of the Bible but they are complicit and are enablers to a child molester...this world really is going south fast.
And I am a parent and not currently a player or a coach but I know girls (now Mom's) that saw this pervert in action back in the day and are still haunted by what they saw and how nothing was done then or now for that matter. These stories that are now making headlines were not isolated incidents of him crossing the line. These maybe the only 3 he slept with (I doubt that) but he crossed the line all the time and on a daily basis 20-30 years ago.
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Post by Northern lights on Jul 18, 2016 15:39:47 GMT -5
To be rehabilitated you have to admit you have a problem. He has never, ever done that and he and his zombie nation continue to try and make the victims the bad people! These facts are almost as disgusting as his original serial rape campaign! You are talking about his public position. That doesn't mean he hasn't found some personal growth along the way and just forgot to send you the diary pages or therapy notes. Maybe it was in therapy or with family, no? I don't know what changed but this was several players in a relatively short period of time, and then none for 30ish years. I say rehabilitated, you can call it what you want, but its pretty obvious that something changed. Whatever pal.. Rick Butler needs my boot up his ass. This is not acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 15:52:52 GMT -5
From the link provided by moderndaycoach . Appendix A. Page 92 of 242 pages. I'd load it if I could, but it is a PDF. You can use the Snipping tool on your MS computer to make anything an image. I am not sure how you just upload a picture but I put that page on imgur. imgur.com/bbiULwc
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Post by knowthetruth on Jul 18, 2016 16:15:13 GMT -5
I am a new poster. I am married to one of Bulter's victims, she IS NOT one of the "known victims". I have never met him. He mentally and physically abused my wife when she was 15. They did not have sex but he tried. She has been telling me of what happened for years. He told her if she EVER told anyone about his advances she would be "BLACKBALLED FROM THE SPORT, YOU WILL NEVER BE RECRUITED, with one word from me to a coach it is over for you". She was 15 and terrified. After College, she never came forward because it would kill her parents to know they "did not protect her". She played in the era from when the known victims played. My wife has absolute knowledge of another victim (not the 3 known) that was forced to have sex with Butler when she was 15. First hand testimony from the victim of RAPE. Not "consensual sex" with a brainwashed 15 year old. He repeatedly forced her to have sex for a year. She came to her after the most recent articles. She never came forward for the same reasons as my wife. For all of you who say it was a long time ago or he has changed need to think about what you are saying. These women he tortured and raped are now getting to the ages where their daughters play. My wife weeps all the time at the prospect that daughter will have to go to his facility to play matches. Or to be forced to coach against him. Imagine that pain! He is an unrepentant rapist and child molester. I am shocked and heartbroken of the lack of strength by coaches to boycott this rapist. I have begged multiple college coaches to call him out but they won't for fear of recruiting. They are all cowards and complicit to a child molester. If this was their daughter, you know they would do something. Rick Butler is Jerry Sandusky and needs to be treated likewise. PLEASE, push this people!!! He has to be removed from the sport. The victims deserve to lead a life free of their rapist. I encourage you all to go to the facebook page of SP and post "I believe Rick Butler to be a Rapist and a child molester" www.facebook.com/sportsperformance1981PLEASE!!!!
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Post by vbnerd on Jul 18, 2016 16:17:32 GMT -5
Colleges don't break rules, people break rules. I would have no problem with penalties being applied to coaches, ADs and college presidents, rather than just institutions. Why talk of seeing him banned now? That is a strange question since he already IS banned now by the governing body of his sport. The real question is why does the AAU balk at enforcing the ban within their organization when their rules say they should? Why does it still matter? Because he dodged prosecution due to the statute of limitations running out before any of the girls could get over the embarrassment and shame to come forward, so he never faced any legal penalty, and none of the girls (now women) got any closure. Did you read the article? "she still carries deep scars from the sexual, physical and emotional abuse Butler inflicted on her". The DA said after the fact that under laws in effect at the time that they most likely would have brought him up on the charges. Whether he would have been convicted is speculation. According to the women involved and according to the findings of the USAV ethics panel, he was a serial rapist. That is not a small matter in general, even without considering his influential role first in training girls and second training young coaches. If someone with his background comes across a similar situation with one of his top young coaches, what would he say? Who would he protect? Edited to add: BTW, the article states the age of consent in Illinois is 17. That is true in general, but the law is much stricter, the age older and the penalties harsher when it is a person in a position of power like a teacher or a coach. That the JVA and AAU have done nothing is an embarrassment for those organizations. To go along with this and "why punish now" potential lines. Think about some of these Nazi war criminals that have avoided capture and prosecution for decades and finally get caught. What they did was wrong- and this is damn close to murder for me- and that just doesn't go away because they haven't murdered since their atrocities. For "why punish now" a coworker had the best answer I've heard so far, and it kinda dovetails with 642fiddi's call to action. Just because the government has a statute of limitations doesn't mean that we have to. We need to marginalize "these people" to the degree that for anyone else the thought of doing this is immediately followed by dread of the ramifications. I'm pretty sure the science on punishments isn't as clear as that link would suggest but that doesn't mean you stop trying.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jul 18, 2016 16:32:01 GMT -5
I am a new poster. I am married to one of Bulter's victims, she IS NOT one of the "known victims". I have never met him. He mentally and physically abused my wife when she was 15. They did not have sex but he tried. She has been telling me of what happened for years. He told her if she EVER told anyone about his advances she would be "BLACKBALLED FROM THE SPORT, YOU WILL NEVER BE RECRUITED, with one word from me to a coach it is over for you". She was 15 and terrified. After College, she never came forward because it would kill her parents to know they "did not protect her". She played in the era from when the known victims played. My wife has absolute knowledge of another victim (not the 3 known) that was forced to have sex with Butler when she was 15. First hand testimony from the victim of RAPE. Not "consensual sex" with a brainwashed 15 year old. He repeatedly forced her to have sex for a year. She came to her after the most recent articles. She never came forward for the same reasons as my wife. For all of you who say it was a long time ago or he has changed need to think about what you are saying. These women he tortured and raped are now getting to the ages where their daughters play. My wife weeps all the time at the prospect that daughter will have to go to his facility to play matches. Or to be forced to coach against him. Imagine that pain! He is an unrepentant rapist and child molester. I am shocked and heartbroken of the lack of strength by coaches to boycott this rapist. I have begged multiple college coaches to call him out but they won't for fear of recruiting. They are all cowards and complicit to a child molester. If this was their daughter, you know they would do something. Rick Butler is Jerry Sandusky and needs to be treated likewise. PLEASE, push this people!!! He has to be removed from the sport. The victims deserve to lead a life free of their rapist. I encourage you all to go to the facebook page of SP and post "I believe Rick Butler to be a Rapist and a child molester" www.facebook.com/sportsperformance1981PLEASE!!!! Thank you for your courage to post this! I'm sorry for your wife having to endure that...what a monster! I have heard the same thing from multiple woman who were around him then. His setter's camp was just as popular back then as it is now. He had potential victims from all over the country! It boggles my mind of all the college coach cowards and the club director cowards, but the absolutely mind blowing thing is the support he gets from Chicago parents. There are other really good clubs in the area.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 16:49:35 GMT -5
I am a new poster. I am married to one of Bulter's victims, she IS NOT one of the "known victims". I have never met him. He mentally and physically abused my wife when she was 15. They did not have sex but he tried. She has been telling me of what happened for years. He told her if she EVER told anyone about his advances she would be "BLACKBALLED FROM THE SPORT, YOU WILL NEVER BE RECRUITED, with one word from me to a coach it is over for you". She was 15 and terrified. After College, she never came forward because it would kill her parents to know they "did not protect her". She played in the era from when the known victims played. My wife has absolute knowledge of another victim (not the 3 known) that was forced to have sex with Butler when she was 15. First hand testimony from the victim of RAPE. Not "consensual sex" with a brainwashed 15 year old. He repeatedly forced her to have sex for a year. She came to her after the most recent articles. She never came forward for the same reasons as my wife. For all of you who say it was a long time ago or he has changed need to think about what you are saying. These women he tortured and raped are now getting to the ages where their daughters play. My wife weeps all the time at the prospect that daughter will have to go to his facility to play matches. Or to be forced to coach against him. Imagine that pain! He is an unrepentant rapist and child molester. I am shocked and heartbroken of the lack of strength by coaches to boycott this rapist. I have begged multiple college coaches to call him out but they won't for fear of recruiting. They are all cowards and complicit to a child molester. If this was their daughter, you know they would do something. Rick Butler is Jerry Sandusky and needs to be treated likewise. PLEASE, push this people!!! He has to be removed from the sport. The victims deserve to lead a life free of their rapist. I encourage you all to go to the facebook page of SP and post "I believe Rick Butler to be a Rapist and a child molester" www.facebook.com/sportsperformance1981PLEASE!!!! I find it VERY credible that a young girl seeking a scholarship would believe the threat of this man being able to "blackball" her with just one word from him. Look at the people that wrote letters for the USAV hearing stating what a great guy RB is. It is a who's who of volleyball coaching power. I guess I understand why this issue is so sensitive to so many. Many prominent VB coaches endorsed this guy and continue to have relationships with him.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jul 18, 2016 16:58:58 GMT -5
I am a new poster. I am married to one of Bulter's victims, she IS NOT one of the "known victims". I have never met him. He mentally and physically abused my wife when she was 15. They did not have sex but he tried. She has been telling me of what happened for years. He told her if she EVER told anyone about his advances she would be "BLACKBALLED FROM THE SPORT, YOU WILL NEVER BE RECRUITED, with one word from me to a coach it is over for you". She was 15 and terrified. After College, she never came forward because it would kill her parents to know they "did not protect her". She played in the era from when the known victims played. My wife has absolute knowledge of another victim (not the 3 known) that was forced to have sex with Butler when she was 15. First hand testimony from the victim of RAPE. Not "consensual sex" with a brainwashed 15 year old. He repeatedly forced her to have sex for a year. She came to her after the most recent articles. She never came forward for the same reasons as my wife. For all of you who say it was a long time ago or he has changed need to think about what you are saying. These women he tortured and raped are now getting to the ages where their daughters play. My wife weeps all the time at the prospect that daughter will have to go to his facility to play matches. Or to be forced to coach against him. Imagine that pain! He is an unrepentant rapist and child molester. I am shocked and heartbroken of the lack of strength by coaches to boycott this rapist. I have begged multiple college coaches to call him out but they won't for fear of recruiting. They are all cowards and complicit to a child molester. If this was their daughter, you know they would do something. Rick Butler is Jerry Sandusky and needs to be treated likewise. PLEASE, push this people!!! He has to be removed from the sport. The victims deserve to lead a life free of their rapist. I encourage you all to go to the facebook page of SP and post "I believe Rick Butler to be a Rapist and a child molester" www.facebook.com/sportsperformance1981PLEASE!!!! I find it VERY credible that a young girl seeking a scholarship would believe the threat of this man being able to "blackball" her with just one word from him. Look at the people that wrote letters for the USAV hearing stating what a great guy RB is. It is a who's who of volleyball coaching power. I guess I understand why this issue is so sensitive to so many. Many prominent VB coaches endorsed this guy and continue to have relationships with him. Everyone of them should be listed on here as a coward!
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Post by longtimereader on Jul 18, 2016 17:34:20 GMT -5
I am a college coach and, for one, our program will not recruit SPRI kids. However, I don't think it's reasonable to expect college coaches to sacrifice their profession for something the governing body should be doing, to be perfectly honest. I take my moral stance and refuse to recruit the club, but this is something that AAU and JVA should be handling. The problem is that RB was part of the leadership group that started JVA- so it's essentially ousting a founding member. Not excusing it at all, because JVA and AAU can 100% survive without RB and/or SPRI.
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Post by VBCOACH on Jul 18, 2016 18:08:54 GMT -5
642fiddi: You are 100% spot on! You need to add JVA and PrepVolleyball.com to your list as well. JVA for all reasons previously addressed and PrepVolleyball for signing a big agreement ($$$) with JVA and for covering JVA and SP hosted events. Remember this quote from the JVA executive director Jenny Hahn "that while it is not proper for coaches to have sexual relationships with players, she would trust Butler with her daughters or granddaughters." If she is not fired from JVA immediately then they should be on top of your list. And while the occasional poster that attempts to defend RB by attempting to steer the topic to a less sinister plain will come around...95% of the volleyball world agrees with you. I will say that I have brought up not attending AAU events and SP events to our club in protest of RB being involved (along with AAU's other child molestors that were aloud to fester at the top of their organization) and I have also been met with silence. It really is bizarre how these clubs talk out of both sides of their mouths. They have a conduct code for players and parents and a mission statement for the club that read like parts of the Bible but they are complicit and are enablers to a child molester...this world really is going south fast. And I am a parent and not currently a player or a coach but I know girls (now Mom's) that saw this pervert in action back in the day and are still haunted by what they saw and how nothing was done then or now for that matter. These stories that are now making headlines were not isolated incidents of him crossing the line. These maybe the only 3 he slept with (I doubt that) but he crossed the line all the time and on a daily basis 20-30 years ago. There are more than three.
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Post by ProfessorPlum on Jul 18, 2016 18:48:50 GMT -5
I've been demoted for disparaging RB remarks. I went from 5 stars back down to a 1 star! This is the way VT stops negative RB posting?
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Post by cecang on Jul 18, 2016 19:31:38 GMT -5
Chicago parents do not support Rick Butler. Those who probably sent their child will support RB especially if their child was not impacted. It is the old "the ends justify the means" BS. We had a choice, we did not choose SP because I heard a rumor he molested the players or something was not right, don't know where I heard it. When the time to try out, SP was definitely out for this reason and how the club was run. Now hearing it was lead by Rick Butler, and what he is being accused of, it makes sense. Parents paid thousands for their children to play for SP, YET THE CHILDREN WERE EXPECTED TO CLEAN THE PUBLIC BATHROOMS during tournaments. He couldn't hire someone .. no, this was a meant to control and demean, it is how predators work. The SP teams players were not allowed to talk with players from other teams, again control Practice times were excessive, the most of any club in Chicago, so yes, if you practice 3 hrs/4 days/week, work weekend tournaments, SP becomes your life, you have no outside life. Again control, separate the child from outside influences. As far as he is a good coach, look up the definition, anybody can make a player practice ungodly amount of hours and yes they will get good. Girls who played for SP had no life, they went to school and played at SP. Missing proms, dances, etc. The girls from other teams called them stepford wives, they all looked the same, had the same physique, kept to themselves, etc. So it doesn't surprise me, what surprises me is how he was able to get away with it. A GOOD coach, teaches life skills, the ability to think for yourself, and is able to teach sports skills without sacrificing other aspect of their life. And obviously a good coach doesn't sleep/tease/demean/flirt with his players. I am not a SP hater, just not a fan of their methods, and now I understand why.
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Post by SuperSpike on Jul 18, 2016 19:37:58 GMT -5
To have awareness of the suffering you have caused other human beings and to have done nothing, simply living on...
I would hope no human has this to contemplate as death draws near. Life is more than money or power.
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