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Post by Hawk Attack on Jan 18, 2017 22:57:10 GMT -5
Let me reiterate: receive a yellow or red card for tying a shoe. The answer is no for the vast majority. More than likely this was passive aggressive behavior that was managed appropriately by the ref in order to maintain control of the match. Correct. The cards were not for "tying a shoe".
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Post by Lineshot24 on Jan 19, 2017 0:35:05 GMT -5
MVC 18s run their mouths big time. Especially their lefty right side. The fact that a reputable club and staff allows this or acts like it doesn't exist reflects poorly on the organization.
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Post by ace4you on Jan 19, 2017 8:36:36 GMT -5
MVC 18s run their mouths big time. Especially their lefty right side. The fact that a reputable club and staff allows this or acts like it doesn't exist reflects poorly on the organization. I have nothing against the organization,there are always certain individuals in every team that can bring that attention and disrespect the team.Being a good teammate starts with respecting yourself first,then your teammates and opponents/refs.
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Post by volleybro11 on Jan 19, 2017 9:05:53 GMT -5
Trash talk is part of the game. Don't understand why we feel the need to focus on this aspect of the game, rather than the actual tournament itself. If you can't take a little trash talk, then you probably shouldn't be playing sports. I respect MVC and their demeanor and I hope they continue to do it in the future. It actually makes the game a little more interesting.
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Post by moderndaycoach on Jan 19, 2017 9:30:26 GMT -5
Let me reiterate: receive a yellow or red card for tying a shoe. The answer is no for the vast majority. More than likely this was passive aggressive behavior that was managed appropriately by the ref in order to maintain control of the match. In my early college coaching days I mistakenly decided that I was going to chew out an official after a post season match that we lost and had myself and floor captain yellow carded in all while placing partial blame for the lost match and seasons end on him. He calmly looked at me, placed his hand on my back and said "son, did you play perfect- flawless, matches your entire life? Have you ever watched film and wish you could have had substitution or a decision back?" I aggressively told him no, of course not, and yes that is just part of coaching! He proceeded with a simple smile and said "well neither do I, and when I see replays of matches sometimes I can't help but cringe at a decision I made. But what I can tell you is that I will always keep order in my court, and I will never make a questionable call that I think could end a Match." From that day forward I have always remembered what he said to me, while I am still guilty for occasionally getting on officials, my maturity and growth as a coach can be credited to this moments like this among others over the years as well. What I try to remind my players now is that of all the matches they will play in their life, less than 1% will have their outcome decided because of who is on the stand. We talk about how many unforced errors they made, how many missed service zones, how many 1 option passes, or how many high freeballs to zone 6 happened in that match. I try to remind them to think of what they were doing during the duration of each set prior to the final outcome that put the official in a position to be receiving blame for their loss over a specific call or two. By screaming at an official from the sidelines during the match, and then after, I was demonstrating to my players and parents that this behavior was acceptable and a clear representation of myself and the name on the jerseys we were donning. It is easy to forget that as a leader we are the baseline and model for the behavior we exhibit while in public, that we are letting every single person in the gym know we feel it is OK to act like this. When I read about all the complaints regarding refs from the kids that want to post on the boards, or parents complaining publicly, and even coaches blowing the top off at tournaments, and how inappropriate some of these teams are acting these days, I can't help but think back to a coach I had in grade school telling us when we went to other schools to play them to "remember to whom you belong". What he meant by this is sports is bigger than just you, while your name may be on the back of the jersey it doesn't just belong to you, it came from your parents first- the name on the front belongs to the school that recruited you or the club that chooses you, and while you may think that you are responsible for yourself, you are also a representation of your family, school/club, and coach. That if you are going to selfishly make a fool of yourself, you are subsequently embarrassing countless others in connection with your actions and perhaps giving a crystal clear reason for someone else to want absolutely no connection with you at all.
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Post by coy on Jan 19, 2017 9:31:51 GMT -5
Trash talk is part of the game. Don't understand why we feel the need to focus on this aspect of the game, rather than the actual tournament itself. If you can't take a little trash talk, then you probably shouldn't be playing sports. I respect MVC and their demeanor and I hope they continue to do it in the future. It actually makes the game a little more interesting. there's a fine line between having some fun while playing with some energy and being a complete a-hole. the players, the assistant coach, and the little dad who's always standing up taping their court are all well beyond the line of being a complete a-hole. and for a team that is going to have to go to a watered down nittany qualifier just to get an open bid, it's pretty silly to be acting like that.
to each their own i suppose.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Jan 19, 2017 9:48:35 GMT -5
Trash talk is part of the game. Don't understand why we feel the need to focus on this aspect of the game, rather than the actual tournament itself. If you can't take a little trash talk, then you probably shouldn't be playing sports. I respect MVC and their demeanor and I hope they continue to do it in the future. It actually makes the game a little more interesting. there's a fine line between having some fun while playing with some energy and being a complete a-hole. the players, the assistant coach, and the little dad who's always standing up taping their court are all well beyond the line of being a complete a-hole. and for a team that is going to have to go to a watered down nittany qualifier just to get an open bid, it's pretty silly to be acting like that.
to each their own i suppose.
Right. Anyone who thinks their behavior makes the game "more interesting" maybe does not have enough respect for the sport in the first place.
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Post by gonethenback on Jan 19, 2017 10:31:59 GMT -5
Let me reiterate: receive a yellow or red card for tying a shoe. The answer is no for the vast majority. More than likely this was passive aggressive behavior that was managed appropriately by the ref in order to maintain control of the match. In my early college coaching days I mistakenly decided that I was going to chew out an official after a post season match that we lost and had myself and floor captain yellow carded in all while placing partial blame for the lost match and seasons end on him. He calmly looked at me, placed his hand on my back and said "son, did you play perfect- flawless, matches your entire life? Have you ever watched film and wish you could have had substitution or a decision back?" I aggressively told him no, of course not, and yes that is just part of coaching! He proceeded with a simple smile and said "well neither do I, and when I see replays of matches sometimes I can't help but cringe at a decision I made. But what I can tell you is that I will always keep order in my court, and I will never make a questionable call that I think could end a Match." From that day forward I have always remembered what he said to me, while I am still guilty for occasionally getting on officials, my maturity and growth as a coach can be credited to this moments like this among others over the years as well. What I try to remind my players now is that of all the matches they will play in their life, less than 1% will have their outcome decided because of who is on the stand. We talk about how many unforced errors they made, how many missed service zones, how many 1 option passes, or how many high freeballs to zone 6 happened in that match. I try to remind them to think of what they were doing during the duration of each set prior to the final outcome that put the official in a position to be receiving blame for their loss over a specific call or two. By screaming at an official from the sidelines during the match, and then after, I was demonstrating to my players and parents that this behavior was acceptable and a clear representation of myself and the name on the jerseys we were donning. It is easy to forget that as a leader we are the baseline and model for the behavior we exhibit while in public, that we are letting every single person in the gym know we feel it is OK to act like this. When I read about all the complaints regarding refs from the kids that want to post on the boards, or parents complaining publicly, and even coaches blowing the top off at tournaments, and how inappropriate some of these teams are acting these days, I can't help but think back to a coach I had in grade school telling us when we went to other schools to play them to "remember to whom you belong". What he meant by this is sports is bigger than just you, while your name may be on the back of the jersey it doesn't just belong to you, it came from your parents first- the name on the front belongs to the school that recruited you or the club that chooses you, and while you may think that you are responsible for yourself, you are also a representation of your family, school/club, and coach. That if you are going to selfishly make a fool of yourself, you are subsequently embarrassing countless others in connection with your actions and perhaps giving a crystal clear reason for someone else to want absolutely no connection with you at all. Very well said
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Post by bbk on Jan 19, 2017 10:33:45 GMT -5
it's a shame that this thread has become so personal.
The tournament had courts weirdly numbered but the play was good. The new versions of club uniforms looked great. Plenty of coaches to watch the play. Adversity 18 Purple put it together and Ultimate 17 Gold was a surprise to many.
Nice seeing teams from Texas & Carolina as the sport seems to be reaching these areas and growing.
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Post by yaks23 on Jan 19, 2017 11:58:27 GMT -5
HBC was consistently rude with poor sportsmanship and badly behaved parents. Unfortunately, no one polices this behavior. 2nd only to mvc 18, whose 2 red cards and 3 yellow cards cost them a match this weekend. lots of loud curse words and trash talking for a team that doesn't have a bid, much like hbc 18s. maybe there's something to be said about class after all. parents, coaches, and players alike. MVC parents are pretty annoying...HP not far behind
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Post by yaks23 on Jan 19, 2017 12:04:44 GMT -5
Trash talk is part of the game. Don't understand why we feel the need to focus on this aspect of the game, rather than the actual tournament itself. If you can't take a little trash talk, then you probably shouldn't be playing sports. I respect MVC and their demeanor and I hope they continue to do it in the future. It actually makes the game a little more interesting. there's a fine line between having some fun while playing with some energy and being a complete a-hole. the players, the assistant coach, and the little dad who's always standing up taping their court are all well beyond the line of being a complete a-hole. and for a team that is going to have to go to a watered down nittany qualifier just to get an open bid, it's pretty silly to be acting like that.
to each their own i suppose.
Amen to all of that
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Post by jvolleyball on Jan 19, 2017 16:17:21 GMT -5
Regardless, hats off to all teams that finished in gold. It is great to see the many teams like Pittsburg, AZ fear, Asprire, and other teams that come from less popular volleyball areas do well. Also, congrats to Club one who should've been in gold but lost their crossover match,
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Post by akbar on Jan 19, 2017 17:04:28 GMT -5
Regardless, hats off to all teams that finished in gold. It is great to see the many teams like Pittsburg, AZ fear, Asprire, and other teams that come from less popular volleyball areas do well. Pittsburgh/Volleyball/Not popular? Nah. Their is a long long tradition and strong history of Boys volleyball in Western Pa. 50 years. The problem for Pa. was always too many HS/local clubs just preparing for the HS season and lack of coordination of talent.
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Post by rogero1 on Jan 19, 2017 17:08:09 GMT -5
Any ideas on what midwest teams are going to show up? Who will get a bid? Which California teams are coming? Let's hear thoughts You can tell this is started by someone whose been involved with girls because a true boys person would call this a bid tourney and not a qualifier (only designated for girls).
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Post by rva7 on Jan 19, 2017 19:07:48 GMT -5
Regardless, hats off to all teams that finished in gold. It is great to see the many teams like Pittsburg, AZ fear, Asprire, and other teams that come from less popular volleyball areas do well. Pittsburgh/Volleyball/Not popular? Nah. Their is a long long tradition and strong history of Boys volleyball in Western Pa. 50 years. The problem for Pa. was always too many HS/local clubs just preparing for the HS season and lack of coordination of talent. 100% accurate! Not since they days of Rennasance have they (Pitt) have a unified club. The top team from PVC does have kids from all over but they still lose a lot of talented kids who just play with their HS team. Ambridge who has produced a ton of talent has a HS club team. Same can me said about Yorktowne though with Central York and Northeastern having HS club teams. Both PVC and Yorktowne have done really well competing and do a great job getting they kids they have access to.
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