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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 26, 2017 12:46:05 GMT -5
Cal Poly *cannot* make NCAA tournament this season. A .500 record is required for regional and at-large bids this year. Next year, the conference tournament winner will get an automatic bid to NCAA. Regardless of record. 2. Selection criteria for regional bids into the championship. a. Record versus regional opponents. b. Head-to-head competition. c. Results versus common opponents. d. Strength of schedule. e. Overall record (must be .500 or above). 3. Selection criteria for at-large bid into the championship. a. Head-to-head competition. b. Results versus common opponents. c. Strength of schedule. d. Overall record (must be .500 or above). In a word that "sucks". perhaps you could shed some light on a better critera? a special 'Cal Poly consideration' written into the rules!! 12-21 Seriously??
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Post by jake on Apr 27, 2017 10:04:25 GMT -5
No special consideration at all.
You win the conference tournament your in.
It's something that has been going on forever in most sports.
Question should be, why the sudden rule change?
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 27, 2017 11:14:10 GMT -5
No special consideration at all. You win the conference tournament your in. It's something that has been going on forever in most sports. Question should be, why the sudden rule change? Because it is a new sport. NCAA requires conferences to have 6 teams participating in the sport for 2 years to get an autobid. Last season was the first year of Beach as a NCAA championship sport. Used same criteria for selection. Next year they will use conference auto bids and at-large bids like other sports.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 27, 2017 12:01:58 GMT -5
No special consideration at all. You win the conference tournament your in. It's something that has been going on forever in most sports. Question should be, why the sudden rule change? Because it is a new sport. NCAA requires conferences to have 6 teams participating in the sport for 2 years to get an autobid. Last season was the first year of Beach as a NCAA championship sport. Used same criteria for selection. Next year they will use conference auto bids and at-large bids like other sports. and hopefully the Big West makes a change to a sensible tournament format for next year, vs. the ridiculous one they have this year. whovever drew up this thing wasn't thinking seriously, having a team potentially play 4 matches over a 4 hour period?? not saying it's gonna happen, but the format is just silly - they need a 3rd day or move a couple more matches to the first day The Big West championship essentially will be the first Sunday morning match. If you don't win that, forget about it
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Post by jake on Apr 27, 2017 18:14:21 GMT -5
Because it is a new sport. NCAA requires conferences to have 6 teams participating in the sport for 2 years to get an autobid. Last season was the first year of Beach as a NCAA championship sport. Used same criteria for selection. Next year they will use conference auto bids and at-large bids like other sports. and hopefully the Big West makes a change to a sensible tournament format for next year, vs. the ridiculous one they have this year. whovever drew up this thing wasn't thinking seriously, having a team potentially play 4 matches over a 4 hour period?? not saying it's gonna happen, but the format is just silly - they need a 3rd day or move a couple more matches to the first day The Big West championship essentially will be the first Sunday morning match. If you don't win that, forget about it Thanks T. So, since the Big West Conference has been playing the sport for two years, in their third season they will be given an auto-bid. That team being the winner of their postseason tournament. What about the .500 winning pct?
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 27, 2017 18:23:42 GMT -5
and hopefully the Big West makes a change to a sensible tournament format for next year, vs. the ridiculous one they have this year. whovever drew up this thing wasn't thinking seriously, having a team potentially play 4 matches over a 4 hour period?? not saying it's gonna happen, but the format is just silly - they need a 3rd day or move a couple more matches to the first day The Big West championship essentially will be the first Sunday morning match. If you don't win that, forget about it Thanks T. So, since the Big West Conference has been playing the sport for two years, in their third season they will be given an auto-bid. That team being the winner of their postseason tournament. What about the .500 winning pct? You are sharp - with all the right questions. I asked that one also. This is the second season of Beach as a NCAA championship sport. They are not counting years when it was an "emerging" sport. I think that they should have counted emerging, but whatever. There will be 5 conference auto bids next season to answer your earlier question. PAC, BigWest, WCC, ASun, CCSA. The .500 winning percentage will only apply to At-Large next year, not to auto-bids.
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Post by bill on Apr 27, 2017 21:38:49 GMT -5
Because it is a new sport. NCAA requires conferences to have 6 teams participating in the sport for 2 years to get an autobid. Last season was the first year of Beach as a NCAA championship sport. Used same criteria for selection. Next year they will use conference auto bids and at-large bids like other sports. and hopefully the Big West makes a change to a sensible tournament format for next year, vs. the ridiculous one they have this year. whovever drew up this thing wasn't thinking seriously, having a team potentially play 4 matches over a 4 hour period?? not saying it's gonna happen, but the format is just silly - they need a 3rd day or move a couple more matches to the first day The Big West championship essentially will be the first Sunday morning match. If you don't win that, forget about it ccmanlb, in case you haven't figured it out the big west folks are about as lame as they could possibly be!
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Post by gobruins on Apr 28, 2017 5:17:45 GMT -5
Thanks T. So, since the Big West Conference has been playing the sport for two years, in their third season they will be given an auto-bid. That team being the winner of their postseason tournament. What about the .500 winning pct? You are sharp - with all the right questions. I asked that one also. This is the second season of Beach as a NCAA championship sport. They are not counting years when it was an "emerging" sport. I think that they should have counted emerging, but whatever. There will be 5 conference auto bids next season to answer your earlier question. PAC, BigWest, WCC, ASun, CCSA. The .500 winning percentage will only apply to At-Large next year, not to auto-bids. Will next year's NCAA tournament still be 8 teams? It would seem that only having 3 at-large bids will mean some pretty strong teams will be left out.
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Post by jake on Apr 28, 2017 10:47:34 GMT -5
Thanks T. So, since the Big West Conference has been playing the sport for two years, in their third season they will be given an auto-bid. That team being the winner of their postseason tournament. What about the .500 winning pct? You are sharp - with all the right questions. I asked that one also. This is the second season of Beach as a NCAA championship sport. They are not counting years when it was an "emerging" sport. I think that they should have counted emerging, but whatever. There will be 5 conference auto bids next season to answer your earlier question. PAC, BigWest, WCC, ASun, CCSA. The .500 winning percentage will only apply to At-Large next year, not to auto-bids. Thanks T., again. Think I can live with that. Would also like to see a larger field, perhaps 16 teams with some 1st & 2nd round byes.
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 28, 2017 11:22:10 GMT -5
You are sharp - with all the right questions. I asked that one also. This is the second season of Beach as a NCAA championship sport. They are not counting years when it was an "emerging" sport. I think that they should have counted emerging, but whatever. There will be 5 conference auto bids next season to answer your earlier question. PAC, BigWest, WCC, ASun, CCSA. The .500 winning percentage will only apply to At-Large next year, not to auto-bids. Will next year's NCAA tournament still be 8 teams? It would seem that only having 3 at-large bids will mean some pretty strong teams will be left out. Yes, next year will likely be 8 teams again. There is a chance we may see 10 bids in a year or two depending on growth. But don't hold your breath. Most NCAA sports get one playoff bid per 6.5 teams that have been established for 2 years. There are about 60 beach teams now (up from 50 last year), so that still is roughly 8 bids. Need to get to 64 teams for a couple years to get 10 bids. There is also a budget cycle for expanding tournament fields, can't recall if it is every 2 years of 4 years. If you look at Men’s Volleyball they have 4 conference bids with 2 At-Large. Very similar to Beach. Really, no good teams will be left out. If we were using that method of selection this year - here would be the likely bids: USC / UCLA = PAC12 Conf bid Pepperdine = West Coast Conf bid Florida State = CCSA conf bid LBSU / Hawaii = Big West conf bid Stetson = ASUN conf bid UCLA / USC = At-Large bid #1 Hawaii / LBSU = At-Large bid #2 LSU = At-Large bid #3 Only change would be Stetson getting in instead of FIU (or whoever gets East #3 this year). I guess if some underdogs win conference tournament, someone could get left out.
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 28, 2017 11:31:12 GMT -5
the issue would be if Arizona or Cal Poly (unlikely) won the conf tournament.
it's similar to any NCAA tournament, if upsets occur, good teams get left out
I think LSU / Arizona would be battling for that last at-large
I can't see 10 teams, next step would be 12, then 16 - but who knows it's the NCAA
I rather see 8 bids for MVB first of any expansion plans
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Post by trollhunter on Apr 28, 2017 15:06:44 GMT -5
the issue would be if Arizona or Cal Poly (unlikely) won the conf tournament. it's similar to any NCAA tournament, if upsets occur, good teams get left out I think LSU / Arizona would be battling for that last at-large I can't see 10 teams, next step would be 12, then 16 - but who knows it's the NCAA I rather see 8 bids for MVB first of any expansion plans Men went from 4 to 5 to 6, so I think Beach could jump to 10. Men have added a couple programs but are behind Beach in number of programs. With Beach growth I don't see Men catching up inbids
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Post by BeachbytheBay on Apr 28, 2017 18:35:33 GMT -5
Pretty much as expected
Long beach and hawaii win, setting up the championship match tomm morn
Whoever wins that will win the tourny the way this thing us set up
Poly will dispose of bake again in the consol match
The only drama left is poly vs the loser oh the haw/lb match
The big west neds to redo this format next year
Poly would have been better off tanking their first match and just resting
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Post by jake on Apr 29, 2017 12:32:42 GMT -5
Hawai'i goes 4-1 against CAL POLY
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Post by jake on Apr 29, 2017 12:42:18 GMT -5
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