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Post by n00b on Mar 21, 2017 15:21:05 GMT -5
I'm actually shocked that this hasn't hit the NCAA yet.
Have we yet had a female NCAA athlete that was born male in any sport? Are there bylaws on the books for this?
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Post by azvb on Mar 21, 2017 15:21:19 GMT -5
Curious, can a non handicapped person play/participate in the paralympics? Can a non-Jewish person play in the Hebrew games (is that what they're called)? Can a 35 year old play in the Senior Olympics? This man is still is biologically a man, right? If a DNA test is done, it comes back male?
Maybe coed volleyball is the answer?
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Post by downtheline on Mar 21, 2017 15:23:03 GMT -5
You seem quite knowledgeable about this. Obviously, in the cited case no one is really harmed. It does not matter and everyone should play where they are comfortable. But what about at the Olympic level or even NCAA. Conceivably, the drugs would be done by then yet you still have the frame and muscle mass of a man? The drugs are never done. For example, a post-op transsexual person doesn't have gonads anymore after they are removed. So for a t-girl, she has no testicles and no ovaries. HRT continues to assure health. Assuring health is a mis statement. No doctor can 100% assure health with HRT.
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Post by Fight On! on Mar 21, 2017 15:25:43 GMT -5
Curious, can a non handicapped person play/participate in the paralympics? Can a non-Jewish person play in the Hebrew games (is that what they're called)? Can a 35 year old play in the Senior Olympics? This man is still is biologically a man, right? If a DNA test is done, it comes back male? Maybe coed volleyball is the answer? There are several chromosomal combinations besides XX and XY. Shall those individuals be excluded? There are many individuals playing volleyball in the Paralympics who are capable of standing and walking.
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Post by Fight On! on Mar 21, 2017 15:26:11 GMT -5
The drugs are never done. For example, a post-op transsexual person doesn't have gonads anymore after they are removed. So for a t-girl, she has no testicles and no ovaries. HRT continues to assure health. Assuring health is a mis statement. No doctor can 100% assure health with HRT. You're grasping at straws.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 15:26:18 GMT -5
You seem quite knowledgeable about this. Obviously, in the cited case no one is really harmed. It does not matter and everyone should play where they are comfortable. But what about at the Olympic level or even NCAA. Conceivably, the drugs would be done by then yet you still have the frame and muscle mass of a man? The drugs are never done. For example, a post-op transsexual person doesn't have gonads anymore after they are removed. So for a t-girl, she has no testicles and no ovaries. HRT continues to assure health. Interesting. Thanks for providing insight. So, in your opinion, an athletic boy that transitions and is now on drugs, would likely be at a disadvantage to an athletic girl (that was always a girl)?
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Post by Fight On! on Mar 21, 2017 15:28:25 GMT -5
The drugs are never done. For example, a post-op transsexual person doesn't have gonads anymore after they are removed. So for a t-girl, she has no testicles and no ovaries. HRT continues to assure health. Interesting. Thanks for providing insight. So, in your opinion, an athletic boy that transitions and is now on drugs, would likely be at a disadvantage to an athletic girl (that was always a girl)? It is possible. And some trans athletes I know have described their experience that way.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 15:34:58 GMT -5
How about a 3rd division option: male, female and transgender. No muss, no fuss.
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Post by Fight On! on Mar 21, 2017 15:34:59 GMT -5
Interesting. Thanks for providing insight. So, in your opinion, an athletic boy that transitions and is now on drugs, would likely be at a disadvantage to an athletic girl (that was always a girl)? It is possible. And some trans athletes I know have described their experience that way. Yet hormones were about to play a dirty trick on my mind and body. Going up to swing at the ball I found myself suddenly too slow, having bizarre aches in my shoulder that felt as if a red-hot iron was being pressed against the muscles deep beneath my skin. My timing was off by about half a second, then a second, and before I could even adjust my body was two seconds behind on my approach. My male muscles that I had developed since puberty were disappearing at an increasingly painful rate. My running slowed down, my swinging got weaker, my vertical jump diminished rapidly. I felt as though all the experience I had accumulated over the years had vanished, as it was like riding a bicycle for the first time. Something I had done so often and had practiced for so long with masculine muscles meant absolutely nothing with the new muscular structure my body was developing. It was painful to see how slow I had become again, to feel my hips wobbling when I ran instead of being squared up in a full-blown sprint. My coordination had changed, and I needed to realign my mind and body to be proficient. A life goal of mine had always been to play women's volleyball, and I wouldn't start community college full-time until I had met all the legal requirements and had reached a point where I was decently satisfied with my athletic ability. www.google.com/amp/www.outsports.com/platform/amp/2016/6/1/11814342/transgender-ncaa-volleyball-chloe-psyche-anderson
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Post by bownlovingfreak on Mar 21, 2017 15:35:21 GMT -5
I know this individual personally, and I know many of her transgendered friends. In NAGVA tournaments they usually play in the women's division if it is offered. They don't usually win, actually. It is important to remember that the testosterone blockers they take mean they actually have less testosterone in their body than genetic women, which can cause a drop in athletic performance, increased fatigue, etc. If a transgender woman is truly on hormone replacement therapy as prescribed by a doctor, I doubt she has much advantage over other women, in most cases. NAGVA has a women's division? Say what now?
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Post by azvolleydad on Mar 21, 2017 15:36:15 GMT -5
I wonder how long it will be before this thread devolves into a discussion of the Teraflex floor?
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Mar 21, 2017 15:36:30 GMT -5
I'm actually shocked that this hasn't hit the NCAA yet. Have we yet had a female NCAA athlete that was born male in any sport? Are there bylaws on the books for this? My understanding is the NCAA rules state that a person has to undergo a minimum of one-year hormonal treatment. I believe there is another stipulation or two (or more), but I don't recall them.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Mar 21, 2017 15:37:05 GMT -5
How about a 3rd division option: male, female and transgender. No muss, no fuss. Because that's segregation from the rest of the population, not inclusion.
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Post by Fight On! on Mar 21, 2017 15:38:42 GMT -5
I know this individual personally, and I know many of her transgendered friends. In NAGVA tournaments they usually play in the women's division if it is offered. They don't usually win, actually. It is important to remember that the testosterone blockers they take mean they actually have less testosterone in their body than genetic women, which can cause a drop in athletic performance, increased fatigue, etc. If a transgender woman is truly on hormone replacement therapy as prescribed by a doctor, I doubt she has much advantage over other women, in most cases. NAGVA has a women's division? Say what now? Only in some tournies, but it is growing. It isn't as formalized as the men's division. Still, movement in the right direction.
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Post by bownlovingfreak on Mar 21, 2017 15:40:18 GMT -5
NAGVA has a men's division? I've never heard of this. NAGVA is a COED league. I've played on teams with straight, gay, trans, and women lol.
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