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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 14:24:58 GMT -5
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Mar 21, 2017 14:36:01 GMT -5
I think all womens sports are eventually destined to go through a Caster Semenya type controversy for their Olympic teams. Granted, all indications are she was born a female. I understand that is different. I'm referring to the controversy it created when people thought perhaps a male was competing and winning female Olympic events. |
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Post by downtheline on Mar 21, 2017 14:50:35 GMT -5
Has this reporter lost her mind?
This athlete has zero chance of playing in the 2020 or any Olympics but she insists on framing this as a USAV milestone of acceptance and inclusion?
Volleyball can be for everyone but let's separate the girls from boys without political correctness.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 14:53:24 GMT -5
I think all womens sports are eventually destined to go through a Caster Semenya type controversy for their Olympic teams. Granted, all indications are she was born a female. I understand that is different. I'm referring to the controversy it created when people thought perhaps a male was competing and winning female Olympic events. Can you remember East German swimmers and weight lifters? The hormone treatments were similar to transitioning. In theory, USAV's approach is the right thing to do for the truly transgendered. It is inclusive. However, at the higher levels, like NCAA or the Olympics it is a more interesting debate. We know countries have organized drug and doping. Why wouldn't they use this opening? |
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Mar 21, 2017 14:54:14 GMT -5
Has this reporter lost her mind? This athlete has zero chance of playing in the 2020 or any Olympics but she insists on framing this as a USAV milestone of acceptance and inclusion? Volleyball can be for everyone but let's separate the girls from boys without political correctness. Agreed that there is no chance for the Olympics. But that inside, this person was a boy and is now a girl. So does this person play in the mens division or womens division? |
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Post by Pipe Attack on Mar 21, 2017 14:57:35 GMT -5
Has this reporter lost her mind? This athlete has zero chance of playing in the 2020 or any Olympics but she insists on framing this as a USAV milestone of acceptance and inclusion? Volleyball can be for everyone but let's separate the girls from boys without political correctness. Agreed that there is no chance for the Olympics. But that inside, this person was a boy and is now a girl. So does this person play in the mens division or womens division? Seems like she used to play in the men's division for USAV sanctioned tournaments. Probably played in women's divison for non-sanctioned. But now is able to play in the women's division for USAV -- which includes nationals. I'm thinking it would be rather unfair to have a team of transgender women playing in a division -- maybe they might have to start looking at the amount of transgender women you can have on a team (kind of like a foreigner limit). And maybe they only can play in a certain division (eg. Open). I mean women might like the challenge while others would think it's unfair. |
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Mar 21, 2017 15:00:01 GMT -5
Agreed that there is no chance for the Olympics. But that inside, this person was a boy and is now a girl. So does this person play in the mens division or womens division? Seems like she used to play in the men's division for USAV sanctioned tournaments. Probably played in women's divison for non-sanctioned. But now is able to play in the women's division for USAV -- which includes nationals. I know- I read the article. I was specifically asking downtheline because he/she said we need to separate the boys from the girls without political correctness. |
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Post by nativevolley on Mar 21, 2017 15:01:05 GMT -5
It's been happening already. Especially at the adult level..
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Post by Fight On! on Mar 21, 2017 15:03:12 GMT -5
I know this individual personally, and I know many of her transgendered friends. In NAGVA tournaments they usually play in the women's division if it is offered. They don't usually win, actually. It is important to remember that the testosterone blockers they take mean they actually have less testosterone in their body than genetic women, which can cause a drop in athletic performance, increased fatigue, etc. If a transgender woman is truly on hormone replacement therapy as prescribed by a doctor, I doubt she has much advantage over other women, in most cases.
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Post by Sorry Ass Sal on Mar 21, 2017 15:06:12 GMT -5
Very slippery slope we're playing with in our engineered society. Take my son & Taylor Sanders and put a skirt on them and they kill Kerri & April in a beach match, sounds fair USAV? That is not at all an equivalent comparison and you are far short-sighting the struggles of changing from one genger to another entails. |
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Post by Fight On! on Mar 21, 2017 15:06:28 GMT -5
Very slippery slope we're playing with in our engineered society. Take my son & Taylor Sanders and put a skirt on them and they kill Kerri & April in a beach match, sounds fair USAV? It just doesn't sound to me like you've understand very well what happens to a transgendered person's body as they transition. I would assume USAV consulted individuals with more medical and physiological knowledge than the average poster on this forum. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2017 15:17:09 GMT -5
I know this individual personally, and I know many of her transgendered friends. In NAGVA tournaments they usually play in the women's division if it is offered. They don't usually win, actually. It is important to remember that the testosterone blockers they take mean they actually have less testosterone in their body than genetic women, which can cause a drop in athletic performance, increased fatigue, etc. If a transgender woman is truly on hormone replacement therapy as prescribed by a doctor, I doubt she has much advantage over other women, in most cases. You seem quite knowledgeable about this. Obviously, in the cited case no one is really harmed. It does not matter and everyone should play where they are comfortable. But what about at the Olympic level or even NCAA. Conceivably, the drugs would be done by then yet you still have the frame and muscle mass of a man? |
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Post by downtheline on Mar 21, 2017 15:19:01 GMT -5
I understand life presents us all difficulties and struggles in certain aspects.
I also understand that hormonal science is not perfect.
I've seen the body react in ways not described by doctors when taking certain hormonal therapies.
Would you like your family member to suffer through cancer caused by improper or misinformed dosing?
This topic of chemically changing a person for health or gender or psychological issues it's not so cut and dry and clean as whom or what you present as. So don't assume or under estimate my knowledge of a topic..
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Post by rainbowbadger on Mar 21, 2017 15:19:57 GMT -5
I know this individual personally, and I know many of her transgendered friends. In NAGVA tournaments they usually play in the women's division if it is offered. They don't usually win, actually. It is important to remember that the testosterone blockers they take mean they actually have less testosterone in their body than genetic women, which can cause a drop in athletic performance, increased fatigue, etc. If a transgender woman is truly on hormone replacement therapy as prescribed by a doctor, I doubt she has much advantage over other women, in most cases. You seem quite knowledgeable about this. Obviously, in the cited case no one is really harmed. It does not matter and everyone should play where they are comfortable. But what about at the Olympic level or even NCAA. Conceivably, the drugs would be done by then yet you still have the frame and muscle mass of a man? I thought trans folks were on some kind of HRT for the long haul. |
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Post by Fight On! on Mar 21, 2017 15:20:33 GMT -5
I know this individual personally, and I know many of her transgendered friends. In NAGVA tournaments they usually play in the women's division if it is offered. They don't usually win, actually. It is important to remember that the testosterone blockers they take mean they actually have less testosterone in their body than genetic women, which can cause a drop in athletic performance, increased fatigue, etc. If a transgender woman is truly on hormone replacement therapy as prescribed by a doctor, I doubt she has much advantage over other women, in most cases. You seem quite knowledgeable about this. Obviously, in the cited case no one is really harmed. It does not matter and everyone should play where they are comfortable. But what about at the Olympic level or even NCAA. Conceivably, the drugs would be done by then yet you still have the frame and muscle mass of a man? The drugs are never done. For example, a post-op transsexual person doesn't have gonads anymore after they are removed. So for a t-girl, she has no testicles and no ovaries. HRT continues to assure health. |
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