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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 14, 2017 12:40:45 GMT -5
Not to whine even more about WCs, but isn't this the kind of situation they are made for? The world's no. 1 player (arguably) wants to play despite having the World Tour Finals a few days later (a situation many players have used as an excuse to skip AVPs in the past). Rather than help her, and the other qualifiers out with a WC, the AVP forces Sarah to play an extra and largely useless day. I don't think it will exhaust Sarah or anything but is a pain in the butt, and seems unnecessary Like what's been said AVP only had 1 WC to give,and they choose Claes/Hughes over Pavan and field. Not even a choice really. Would be absolutely terrible player marketing to choose anyone over USA promising youth. Agreed, and to expand on this: Maybe stop looking at these as "Wild Cards". These are AVPNEXT regional winner spots. |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 14, 2017 12:47:01 GMT -5
Not to whine even more about WCs, but isn't this the kind of situation they are made for? The world's no. 1 player (arguably) wants to play despite having the World Tour Finals a few days later (a situation many players have used as an excuse to skip AVPs in the past). Rather than help her, and the other qualifiers out with a WC, the AVP forces Sarah to play an extra and largely useless day. I don't think it will exhaust Sarah or anything but is a pain in the butt, and seems unnecessary Like what's been said AVP only had 1 WC to give,and they choose Claes/Hughes over Pavan and field. Not even a choice really. Would be absolutely terrible player marketing to choose anyone over USA promising youth. The AVP had an infinite number of WCs to give. Donald can do whatever he wants |
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Post by haze on Aug 14, 2017 12:49:39 GMT -5
The decision with what to do with the WC's was made long before Pavan was probably even thinking of playing an AVP event.
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Post by guest2 on Aug 14, 2017 12:52:37 GMT -5
The decision with what to do with the WC's was made long before Pavan was probably even thinking of playing an AVP event. The decision to give Kelly/Sara a WC was made before May? |
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Post by rainmaker on Aug 14, 2017 12:53:28 GMT -5
Seeing that SH/KC are a "WC", I expected 9 total, but its 8. Did they in fact get the PACIFIC AVPNext bid? If not, and they are a true WC, I would expect 9 WC's.. What are we missing here?
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Post by haze on Aug 14, 2017 12:58:56 GMT -5
The decision with what to do with the WC's was made long before Pavan was probably even thinking of playing an AVP event. The decision to give Kelly/Sara a WC was made before May? I'm not sure if you are insinuating that Pavan and Skylar Caputo deserve a WC in an American domestic tour event over Claes/Hughes but I don't see why AVP should just give a freebie out to Pavan. They never did that to a Ricardo who has a much, much, more deserving vole ball portfolio than Pavan. |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 14, 2017 12:59:09 GMT -5
Seeing that SH/KC are a "WC", I expected 9 total, but its 8. Did they in fact get the PACIFIC AVPNext bid? If not, and they are a true WC, I would expect 9 WC's.. What are we missing here? I see 9 now. |
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Post by haze on Aug 14, 2017 13:03:08 GMT -5
Seeing that SH/KC are a "WC", I expected 9 total, but its 8. Did they in fact get the PACIFIC AVPNext bid? If not, and they are a true WC, I would expect 9 WC's.. What are we missing here? I see 9. I'm pretty sure there was no other WC'S expected to be given out, and an exception was made for Claes/Hughes |
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 14, 2017 13:04:46 GMT -5
Seeing that SH/KC are a "WC", I expected 9 total, but its 8. Did they in fact get the PACIFIC AVPNext bid? If not, and they are a true WC, I would expect 9 WC's.. What are we missing here? No, there are 9 WCs. 1Kelly Claes 372 Sara Hughes 372 744 Wild Card TBD 2Lisa Howard 370 Lorelee Smith 370 740 Wild Card TBD 3Melissa Cruz 350 Chrissy Glenn 350 700 Wild Card TBD 4Stacy Howell 340 Nicole Sherpensky 340 680 Wild Card TBD 5Sarah Roberts 308 Kelly Wood 360 668 Wild Card TBD 6Peri Green 333 Rachel Sherman 333 666 Wild Card TBD 7Deveney Pula 330 Stacey Smith 330 660 Wild Card TBD 8Milani Pickering 280 Katie Tomsyck 280 560 Wild Card TBD 9Juliana Friederich 95 Danielle Jacobson 136 231 Wild Card TBD avp.com/event/2017-manhattan-beach-open/2017-manhattan-beach-open/#T2eobxZcaVbc4CM4.99 |
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Post by JB Southpaw on Aug 14, 2017 13:07:39 GMT -5
Seeing that SH/KC are a "WC", I expected 9 total, but its 8. Did they in fact get the PACIFIC AVPNext bid? If not, and they are a true WC, I would expect 9 WC's.. What are we missing here? I see 9. I'm pretty sure there was no other WC'S expected to be given out, and an exception was made for Claes/Hughes I think giving them a WC is the right thing to do. No reason for the 4-5 teams they would have played to just get run through. They only have 2 eligible events for seed points. With Double points for these next 2 tournaments, that should catch them up. |
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Post by guest2 on Aug 14, 2017 13:18:20 GMT -5
The decision to give Kelly/Sara a WC was made before May? I'm not sure if you are insinuating that Pavan and Skylar Caputo deserve a WC in an American domestic tour event over Claes/Hughes but I don't see why AVP should just give a freebie out to Pavan. They never did that to a Ricardo who has a much, much, more deserving vole ball portfolio than Pavan. Right now he does? Ricardo hasn't made an FIVB podium in three years. Here is why, the women's side stinks outside of maybe 3-4 teams and Sarah is the best player in the event. Plus she chose to play Manhattan even with the World Tour Finals early next week. Why not recognize she did that - which is more than many players did in Seattle - and give her a break and make the event better. Watching Janelle Allen/Kim Smith play Sheila Shaw and Zhang's corpse is like watching off white paint dry. Throw Dowdy and Pollock into the mix and you may as well euthanize any remaining fans and thats before you even get into the abomination that will be some of those AVP Next teams. Since the AVP is already punishing more deserving teams with the AVP Next thing, why not use the same mechanism to do something to make the event more compelling. Sarah has four FIVB finishes this year that would be career high AVP finishes for every woman listed above except Zhang. That should be enough to merit some consideration |
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Post by geddyleeridesagain on Aug 14, 2017 14:15:03 GMT -5
Pavan could, I assume, have looked to pick up a partner with enough points to get in the main draw, like Branagh or Reeves. She could also not have lost in the 3rd round of the Huntington qualifier to a pair of retired soccer moms or get donkey-punched in New York playing with Carico. Pavan left a ton of points on the table with those bad finishes.
I'm not really seeing the motivation for the AVP to re-jigger the main draw in order to get Pavan/Caputo in. Yes, Pavan has had a terrific year on the World Tour, but outside of some ex-pat Canucks nobody is coming to Manhattan Beach just because they want see Sarah Pavan play. From a practical standpoint it would be very difficult to make an accommodation. The last team in based on points includes Nic Branagh, and the AVP isn't going to dump her into the Qualie. The only WC is Hughes/Claes, and Donald most definitely isn't going to dump them. The eight spots guaranteed to AVP Next teams are locked.
And assuming she's 100%, April Ross is the best player in the field.
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Post by rainmaker on Aug 14, 2017 14:58:50 GMT -5
I swear I only counted 8 earlier.. I must really suck at math..
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Post by guest2 on Aug 14, 2017 23:26:42 GMT -5
Pavan could, I assume, have looked to pick up a partner with enough points to get in the main draw, like Branagh or Reeves. She could also not have lost in the 3rd round of the Huntington qualifier to a pair of retired soccer moms or get donkey-punched in New York playing with Carico. Pavan left a ton of points on the table with those bad finishes. I'm not really seeing the motivation for the AVP to re-jigger the main draw in order to get Pavan/Caputo in. Yes, Pavan has had a terrific year on the World Tour, but outside of some ex-pat Canucks nobody is coming to Manhattan Beach just because they want see Sarah Pavan play. From a practical standpoint it would be very difficult to make an accommodation. The last team in based on points includes Nic Branagh, and the AVP isn't going to dump her into the Qualie. The only WC is Hughes/Claes, and Donald most definitely isn't going to dump them. The eight spots guaranteed to AVP Next teams are locked. And assuming she's 100%, April Ross is the best player in the field. Why? Because the product stinks and she makes it better |
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Post by beavis on Aug 15, 2017 0:20:12 GMT -5
[/quote]Right now he does? Ricardo hasn't made an FIVB podium in three years.
Here is why, the women's side stinks outside of maybe 3-4 teams and Sarah is the best player in the event. Plus she chose to play Manhattan even with the World Tour Finals early next week. Why not recognize she did that - which is more than many players did in Seattle - and give her a break and make the event better.
Watching Janelle Allen/Kim Smith play Sheila Shaw and Zhang's corpse is like watching off white paint dry. Throw Dowdy and Pollock into the mix and you may as well euthanize any remaining fans and thats before you even get into the abomination that will be some of those AVP Next teams.
Since the AVP is already punishing more deserving teams with the AVP Next thing, why not use the same mechanism to do something to make the event more compelling.
Sarah has four FIVB finishes this year that would be career high AVP finishes for every woman listed above except Zhang. That should be enough to merit some consideration [/quote]
"The abomination that will be some of those AVPNext teams." "[Y]ou may as well euthanize any remaining fans" Could you possibly be any more of an impolite, incorrect and incredibly negative "fan?" I loved watching Shaw and Zhang make their little run in Hermosa. I love watching the quali gals, one of whom who might become the next Kerri or Misty. These events are so much fun to go to and watch in person, and I know Guest2 went overseas so now its all about Pavan apparently. She's had a very good year on the FIVB - there is no denying that, and I congratulate her for it. But to actually state that she is the best player in the world? And to just trash every player trying to make it and scratch their way to becoming better? C'mon, Dude.
The non-sensical statement that "the product stinks and she makes it better" is hardly a reason to disrupt the established wild card process and screw someone deserving out of the WC just because you think she is so amazing. Geddy hit it on the head - April Ross is, and has been over an extended period of time, so much better than Pavan that it is not even close. Yeah, the product stinks, but I think I'll post nonstop in these threads nonstop.
Same with Branagh - like Ross, a way better player over an extended period of time. Lucking into an awesome partner and clicking well for a season or two internationally hardly makes you the best player in the world - just ask Zhang. I will go even further out on the limb and say that, in my humble and probably idiotic opinion, Hughes is a better all-around player than Pavan already, and that Summer Ross would be right there with her if she had a Humana-Paredes level partner. Internationally, Ludwig and Larissa are so much better than Pavan that it is not even arguable, and if you are only looking at bigs, Walkenhorst is wayyyyyyyy better than Pavan as well. She has exactly one international win in 46 tries, hardly the record you would expect from the best player in the world.
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