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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2018 23:36:52 GMT -5
I think there's something to be said for Tamas taking a group of juniors and seniors that Hambly couldn't even make the tournament with two seasons ago to the Final Four. Illinois only started two top ten kids. He's clearly got something. I think he's good. As good or better than his peers in age or experience, but I think it takes a lot to build a consistent program, some/much of which goes beyond coaching. It's too early to tell about those other things (admin, recruiting, PR, fundraising, difficulties in individual and/or team relationships, ego and ambition, etc.) Fair enough.
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Post by ilikewaffles on Dec 21, 2018 10:55:50 GMT -5
The road is littered with coaches who have taken the reins at a program and found success with someone else's talent--Mike Sealy at UCLA, Kevin Hambly at Illinois, Mick Haley at USC, John Dunning at Stanford, among others-- and then struggled (to some degree or another) to create their own powerhouse. Tamas has as much potential as any of those coaches, but don't underestimate the difficulty of creating and maintaining a quality program over time. Tamas is still a young and relatively inexperienced coach, and he still has a lot to experience and learn, and Illinois still has a way to go as an institution before it can consistently deliver what is needed for that level of success. I think there's something to be said for Tamas taking a group of juniors and seniors that Hambly couldn't even make the tournament with two seasons ago to the Final Four. Illinois only started two top ten kids. He's clearly got something. So that group of Juniors and Seniors were as good in 2016 (as Freshman and Sophs) as they were in 2018 ?
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Post by stanfordvb on Dec 27, 2018 2:01:12 GMT -5
Hambly is a different coach now at Stanford. The cardinal are very well coached and prepared for the post season. A national championship can attest to his coaching.
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Post by umyeahaboutthat on Dec 27, 2018 5:36:38 GMT -5
Match results are a zero-sum proposition: if one team wins, the other, by definition, loses. Coaching ability isn't zero-sum--it can be win-win. There can be two championship-caliber coaches and that's what's happening at Illinois (and Stanford, for that matter). Hambly did absolutely great things for the volleyball program at Illinois, both in terms of recruiting, culture and game results. That's true whether he stood up, sat down, jumped around on one leg during matches or was caught saying 'figure it out' when somebody thought he should have been saying something different. Tamas is currently doing absolutely great things for the volleyball program at Illinois. That's true whether he beats one conference rival to reach the FF or loses to another in the following match. Many of these zero-sum matches are won or lost by a handful of points, which can be a questionable call, one shanked pass, whatever. No need to throw Hambly under the bus to praise Tamas. No need to say Tamas's team in the FF "suddenly played like a Hambly-coached team" (it's in one of these threads, just didn't bother to find it). Especially if that cheap shot is about the same FF in which a Hambly-coached team won it all. Try to enjoy what Hambly built at Illinois. Try to enjoy what Tamas is building there now. It'll be the most satisfying way to actually enjoy the championship when it occurs. I-L-L...
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 27, 2018 5:43:01 GMT -5
Hambly is a different coach now at Stanford. The cardinal are very well coached and prepared for the post season. A national championship can attest to his coaching. He doesn't have to rely on training as much at Stanford, which isn't his strong suit.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Dec 27, 2018 7:46:31 GMT -5
Kevin Hambly was a great hire for Stanford. He is a perfect match for Stanford. He is about as "classy" a coach as they come in collegiate volleyball, and Stanford is a very "classy" program. His wife, Mary, labeled him a "Renaissance man" at one time when he was at Illinois. When I read that, I had to consult the dictionary to see what she meant. The dictionary definition is "cultured man of the Renaissance who was knowledgeable, educated, or proficient in a wide range of fields". She made this Renaissance comment while she and Kevin were in the midst of redoing their modest old house with good bones in one of Champaign's best older neighborhoods. This house was on one of the last remaining streets that still was topped with brick. Mary followed her Renaissance man comment by saying that she was happy that her father was a skilled carpenter, because Kevin was not so skilled in that area. When Hambly was at Illinois, one of his favorite fundraisers was a sort of "Top Chef" competition between local celebrities who enjoyed cooking which included Coach Hambly. I attended the first one of these which was very successful, well-attended with much good food. As I remember one of the videos filmed by the athletic department was of Hambly in his coaching office talking about how much he enjoyed reading. I think Coach Hambly would enjoy discussing the philosophies and strategies of coaching volleyball, as much as doing the actual coaching (my very subjective opinion). My problem with Hambly was that I felt he seemed to lack that competitive fire that I see in other successful coaches (like our current coach Tamas). Obviously, that is another very subjective evaluation on my part, but when comparing Hambly's behavior on the sidelines and in the Illinois huddle, with Purdue's Coach Shondell's competitive fire, I sometimes felt that was the difference in Purdue defeating Illinois in a close match. Most Illini fans were very disappointed in Hambly's departure, and still respect him, and are thankful for his years at Illinois. I am one of those. Hambly was not always happy with my comments on volleytalk, and we did exchange emails a time or two. However, when he and assistant coach Erin Lindsey were named coaches at Stanford, I was happy to email both of them to express my congratulations. Obviously, the coaching change has been a good thing for both Stanford and Illinois!
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Post by volleyguy on Dec 27, 2018 8:12:16 GMT -5
Kevin is a decent guy, but "Renaissance man" is quite a stretch. I do think that Stanford is a good fit for him nonetheless.
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Post by tallguy86 on Dec 27, 2018 8:48:51 GMT -5
Kevin Hambly was a great hire for Stanford. He is a perfect match for Stanford. He is about as "classy" a coach as they come in collegiate volleyball, and Stanford is a very "classy" program. His wife, Mary, labeled him a "Renaissance man" at one time when he was at Illinois. When I read that, I had to consult the dictionary to see what she meant. The dictionary definition is "cultured man of the Renaissance who was knowledgeable, educated, or proficient in a wide range of fields". She made this Renaissance comment while she and Kevin were in the midst of redoing their modest old house with good bones in one of Champaign's best older neighborhoods. This house was on one of the last remaining streets that still was topped with brick. Mary followed her Renaissance man comment by saying that she was happy that her father was a skilled carpenter, because Kevin was not so skilled in that area. When Hambly was at Illinois, one of his favorite fundraisers was a sort of "Top Chef" competition between local celebrities who enjoyed cooking which included Coach Hambly. I attended the first one of these which was very successful, well-attended with much good food. As I remember one of the videos filmed by the athletic department was of Hambly in his coaching office talking about how much he enjoyed reading. I think Coach Hambly would enjoy discussing the philosophies and strategies of coaching volleyball, as much as doing the actual coaching (my very subjective opinion). My problem with Hambly was that I felt he seemed to lack that competitive fire that I see in other successful coaches (like our current coach Tamas). Obviously, that is another very subjective evaluation on my part, but when comparing Hambly's behavior on the sidelines and in the Illinois huddle, with Purdue's Coach Shondell's competitive fire, I sometimes felt that was the difference in Purdue defeating Illinois in a close match. Most Illini fans were very disappointed in Hambly's departure, and still respect him, and are thankful for his years at Illinois. I am one of those. Hambly was not always happy with my comments on volleytalk, and we did exchange emails a time or two. However, when he and assistant coach Erin Lindsey were named coaches at Stanford, I was happy to email both of them to express my congratulations. Obviously, the coaching change has been a good thing for both Stanford and Illinois! Hambly emailed you directly to discuss your comments on VT?
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Post by ilalum92 on Dec 27, 2018 10:34:08 GMT -5
Kevin Hambly was a great hire for Stanford. He is a perfect match for Stanford. He is about as "classy" a coach as they come in collegiate volleyball, and Stanford is a very "classy" program. His wife, Mary, labeled him a "Renaissance man" at one time when he was at Illinois. When I read that, I had to consult the dictionary to see what she meant. The dictionary definition is "cultured man of the Renaissance who was knowledgeable, educated, or proficient in a wide range of fields". She made this Renaissance comment while she and Kevin were in the midst of redoing their modest old house with good bones in one of Champaign's best older neighborhoods. This house was on one of the last remaining streets that still was topped with brick. Mary followed her Renaissance man comment by saying that she was happy that her father was a skilled carpenter, because Kevin was not so skilled in that area. When Hambly was at Illinois, one of his favorite fundraisers was a sort of "Top Chef" competition between local celebrities who enjoyed cooking which included Coach Hambly. I attended the first one of these which was very successful, well-attended with much good food. As I remember one of the videos filmed by the athletic department was of Hambly in his coaching office talking about how much he enjoyed reading. I think Coach Hambly would enjoy discussing the philosophies and strategies of coaching volleyball, as much as doing the actual coaching (my very subjective opinion). My problem with Hambly was that I felt he seemed to lack that competitive fire that I see in other successful coaches (like our current coach Tamas). Obviously, that is another very subjective evaluation on my part, but when comparing Hambly's behavior on the sidelines and in the Illinois huddle, with Purdue's Coach Shondell's competitive fire, I sometimes felt that was the difference in Purdue defeating Illinois in a close match. Most Illini fans were very disappointed in Hambly's departure, and still respect him, and are thankful for his years at Illinois. I am one of those. Hambly was not always happy with my comments on volleytalk, and we did exchange emails a time or two. However, when he and assistant coach Erin Lindsey were named coaches at Stanford, I was happy to email both of them to express my congratulations. Obviously, the coaching change has been a good thing for both Stanford and Illinois! Hambly emailed you directly to discuss your comments on VT? Yes, please spill that tea!
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Dec 27, 2018 10:51:29 GMT -5
Perhaps my linking these two thoughts in one sentence is misleading, "Hambly was not always happy with my comments on volleytalk, and we did exchange emails a time or two."
Over the years that Hambly was the coach at Illinois, I would occasionally email him with congratulations on a win, or at other times make some uninformed suggestion as to what strategy he might consider. On the congratulation emails, he would return a thank you email...he would wisely not return a comment to me about my strategy suggestions.
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Post by brucks on Dec 27, 2018 12:25:18 GMT -5
Kevin Hambly was a great hire for Stanford. He is a perfect match for Stanford. He is about as "classy" a coach as they come in collegiate volleyball, and Stanford is a very "classy" program. His wife, Mary, labeled him a "Renaissance man" at one time when he was at Illinois. When I read that, I had to consult the dictionary to see what she meant. The dictionary definition is "cultured man of the Renaissance who was knowledgeable, educated, or proficient in a wide range of fields". She made this Renaissance comment while she and Kevin were in the midst of redoing their modest old house with good bones in one of Champaign's best older neighborhoods. This house was on one of the last remaining streets that still was topped with brick. Mary followed her Renaissance man comment by saying that she was happy that her father was a skilled carpenter, because Kevin was not so skilled in that area. When Hambly was at Illinois, one of his favorite fundraisers was a sort of "Top Chef" competition between local celebrities who enjoyed cooking which included Coach Hambly. I attended the first one of these which was very successful, well-attended with much good food. As I remember one of the videos filmed by the athletic department was of Hambly in his coaching office talking about how much he enjoyed reading. I think Coach Hambly would enjoy discussing the philosophies and strategies of coaching volleyball, as much as doing the actual coaching (my very subjective opinion). My problem with Hambly was that I felt he seemed to lack that competitive fire that I see in other successful coaches (like our current coach Tamas). Obviously, that is another very subjective evaluation on my part, but when comparing Hambly's behavior on the sidelines and in the Illinois huddle, with Purdue's Coach Shondell's competitive fire, I sometimes felt that was the difference in Purdue defeating Illinois in a close match. Most Illini fans were very disappointed in Hambly's departure, and still respect him, and are thankful for his years at Illinois. I am one of those. Hambly was not always happy with my comments on volleytalk, and we did exchange emails a time or two. However, when he and assistant coach Erin Lindsey were named coaches at Stanford, I was happy to email both of them to express my congratulations. Obviously, the coaching change has been a good thing for both Stanford and Illinois! Speaking of coaching styles, I was taken aback watching Cook (Nebraska) at the matches in Minneapolis. He seldom spoke to his squad during timeouts. He stood back, much as a trainer might do, and let another coach (some kid who appeared to be about 25) do the instruction/pep talk. Not sure if that is his typical style, but it seemed to work out for them in Minny. I do remember Hardin allowing Hambly to do that some when they were both here.
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Post by tallguy86 on Dec 27, 2018 14:22:35 GMT -5
Kevin Hambly was a great hire for Stanford. He is a perfect match for Stanford. He is about as "classy" a coach as they come in collegiate volleyball, and Stanford is a very "classy" program. His wife, Mary, labeled him a "Renaissance man" at one time when he was at Illinois. When I read that, I had to consult the dictionary to see what she meant. The dictionary definition is "cultured man of the Renaissance who was knowledgeable, educated, or proficient in a wide range of fields". She made this Renaissance comment while she and Kevin were in the midst of redoing their modest old house with good bones in one of Champaign's best older neighborhoods. This house was on one of the last remaining streets that still was topped with brick. Mary followed her Renaissance man comment by saying that she was happy that her father was a skilled carpenter, because Kevin was not so skilled in that area. When Hambly was at Illinois, one of his favorite fundraisers was a sort of "Top Chef" competition between local celebrities who enjoyed cooking which included Coach Hambly. I attended the first one of these which was very successful, well-attended with much good food. As I remember one of the videos filmed by the athletic department was of Hambly in his coaching office talking about how much he enjoyed reading. I think Coach Hambly would enjoy discussing the philosophies and strategies of coaching volleyball, as much as doing the actual coaching (my very subjective opinion). My problem with Hambly was that I felt he seemed to lack that competitive fire that I see in other successful coaches (like our current coach Tamas). Obviously, that is another very subjective evaluation on my part, but when comparing Hambly's behavior on the sidelines and in the Illinois huddle, with Purdue's Coach Shondell's competitive fire, I sometimes felt that was the difference in Purdue defeating Illinois in a close match. Most Illini fans were very disappointed in Hambly's departure, and still respect him, and are thankful for his years at Illinois. I am one of those. Hambly was not always happy with my comments on volleytalk, and we did exchange emails a time or two. However, when he and assistant coach Erin Lindsey were named coaches at Stanford, I was happy to email both of them to express my congratulations. Obviously, the coaching change has been a good thing for both Stanford and Illinois! Speaking of coaching styles, I was taken aback watching Cook (Nebraska) at the matches in Minneapolis. He seldom spoke to his squad during timeouts. He stood back, much as a trainer might do, and let another coach (some kid who appeared to be about 25) do the instruction/pep talk. Not sure if that is his typical style, but it seemed to work out for them in Minny. I do remember Hardin allowing Hambly to do that some when they were both here. It’s one of cook’s selling points when he hires assistants. Mary wise also does it. Hambly was the coach in waiting, so Hardin let him do what he wanted. If Cook sees something off, he’ll fix it. Coaches also discuss during the first 30 seconds of each timeout.
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Post by Pasquale on Jan 4, 2019 13:35:37 GMT -5
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Post by wiscvball on Jan 4, 2019 13:51:42 GMT -5
Congrats to her! The write-up at the Illini site didn't mention the other 3 finalists, but they are Plummer, SSS and Roni Jones-Perry. A little surprised Foecke didn't get named as one, but I don't know who you'd bump off for her.
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Post by notpriddy (COIF) on Jan 4, 2019 17:27:55 GMT -5
I have always been confused by the Honda Sports Award for Women and the Honda Broderick Award. I know Mary Eggers (now Mary Eggers Tendler head coach at Elon) won the Honda Broderick Award back in 1988 when Mike Hebert was the Illinois coach:
"Mary Eggers Tendler is the most decorated player in Illinois volleyball history. The 1988 Honda Broderick Award winner as the nation’s top player, Tendler was a three-time First-Team All-American and four-time First-Team All-Big Ten selection."
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