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Post by Northern lights on Feb 3, 2018 15:55:35 GMT -5
Aird has to go to Indiana and turn that program into a tournament team within 3-5 years or his seat will warm up. Is that what the Indiana administration has said? No sorry it is just my opinion. It makes sense because the athletic department is investing in the sport and should want a return.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 19:01:19 GMT -5
Is that what the Indiana administration has said? They have to worry that he's not in it for the long-term, but is only looking for a springboard to the next "lily pad". He left the job unfinished at Maryland, breaking all the promises he'd made. Why won't he do the same at Indiana? I never understood this argument. Sure, he might leave, but isn't it better for him to make the program better and move on to what he deems a better job than just lose? The program was bad, and if it gets to the point where he's able to take a better job for whatever reason, doesn't that mean that he was able to make Indiana better than it was? At least this way, Indiana wins a bit or competes instead of staying the losing the program it has been. If I were an Indiana fan, I'd be thankful if he were able to bring success and leave because at least then there was success...
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 3, 2018 22:06:12 GMT -5
They have to worry that he's not in it for the long-term, but is only looking for a springboard to the next "lily pad". He left the job unfinished at Maryland, breaking all the promises he'd made. Why won't he do the same at Indiana? I never understood this argument. Sure, he might leave, but isn't it better for him to make the program better and move on to what he deems a better job than just lose? The program was bad, and if it gets to the point where he's able to take a better job for whatever reason, doesn't that mean that he was able to make Indiana better than it was? At least this way, Indiana wins a bit or competes instead of staying the losing the program it has been. If I were an Indiana fan, I'd be thankful if he were able to bring success and leave because at least then there was success... Maryland was left better off? Check the Transfer thread.
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Post by pepperbrooks on Feb 3, 2018 22:11:46 GMT -5
I never understood this argument. Sure, he might leave, but isn't it better for him to make the program better and move on to what he deems a better job than just lose? The program was bad, and if it gets to the point where he's able to take a better job for whatever reason, doesn't that mean that he was able to make Indiana better than it was? At least this way, Indiana wins a bit or competes instead of staying the losing the program it has been. If I were an Indiana fan, I'd be thankful if he were able to bring success and leave because at least then there was success... Maryland was left better off? Check the Transfer thread. Again, the selective outrage is telling.
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Post by beavis on Feb 3, 2018 23:31:35 GMT -5
It is pretty ironic that, when most people are at their jobs and hear of someone leaving for a better opportunity, they think to ourselves "good for them," but there seems to be a huge exception to that general feeling when college coaches are considered. If Redbeard is a huge homer for Maryland, then I guess I can understand his disillusionment, but to attack the guy so vehemently and personally is certainly not warranted. Please consider this really important fact, guys (and gals) - earning $170,000 a year (or whatever his salary is going to be) in Bloomington, Indiana is wayyyyyyyy different than earning a similar salary at Maryland. People are constantly amazed, when they come to the Midwest, when they find out how much more house they can afford than they could on one of the coasts, etc. So to hammer a guy for trying to do better financially for his family seems pretty lame, in my humble opinion.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 4, 2018 0:19:15 GMT -5
Maryland was left better off? Check the Transfer thread. Again, the selective outrage is telling. The selective outrage is in fact telling. Aird doesn't have a good reputation amongst a lot of people.
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Post by jcvball22 on Feb 4, 2018 0:33:58 GMT -5
Again, the selective outrage is telling. The selective outrage is in fact telling. Aird doesn't have a good reputation amongst a lot of people. You have been insinuating he's a terrible person on multiple threads now. But, you really are in the minority on this opinion. Continuing to state it over and over isn't likely to change anyone else's mind.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 4, 2018 1:44:27 GMT -5
The selective outrage is in fact telling. Aird doesn't have a good reputation amongst a lot of people. You have been insinuating he's a terrible person on multiple threads now. But, you really are in the minority on this opinion. Continuing to state it over and over isn't likely to change anyone else's mind. Are you vouching for him?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2018 6:20:12 GMT -5
I never understood this argument. Sure, he might leave, but isn't it better for him to make the program better and move on to what he deems a better job than just lose? The program was bad, and if it gets to the point where he's able to take a better job for whatever reason, doesn't that mean that he was able to make Indiana better than it was? At least this way, Indiana wins a bit or competes instead of staying the losing the program it has been. If I were an Indiana fan, I'd be thankful if he were able to bring success and leave because at least then there was success... Maryland was left better off? Check the Transfer thread. Right because being a dumpster fire like Horsmon left them is better than where they are right now. I'd rather have them still be terrible without a single good player. You're accurate.
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Post by badgerbill on Feb 4, 2018 7:09:54 GMT -5
Good luck recruiting. Integrity is a lost virtue.
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Post by jcvball22 on Feb 4, 2018 8:31:09 GMT -5
You have been insinuating he's a terrible person on multiple threads now. But, you really are in the minority on this opinion. Continuing to state it over and over isn't likely to change anyone else's mind. Are you vouching for him? Is that really what you want? I mean, I have interacted with him enough in his time coaching to know a few things: 1. He's a good coach- his teams perform well and the athletes work really hard for him in the gym 2. He is a good salesman- and that has served him well in every role he has had; he's charismatic and people like being around him. 3. He loves his family and will always put them first- I can't think that is a bad thing. Steve is a pretty transparent guy, but he certainly has his used car salesman traits. And I will take that over some of the truly horrendous people I have come across at the upper-ranks of college coaching.
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Post by volleyguy on Feb 4, 2018 10:48:35 GMT -5
Are you vouching for him? Is that really what you want? I mean, I have interacted with him enough in his time coaching to know a few things: 1. He's a good coach- his teams perform well and the athletes work really hard for him in the gym 2. He is a good salesman- and that has served him well in every role he has had; he's charismatic and people like being around him. 3. He loves his family and will always put them first- I can't think that is a bad thing. Steve is a pretty transparent guy, but he certainly has his used car salesman traits. And I will take that over some of the truly horrendous people I have come across at the upper-ranks of college coaching. Certainly, I agree that everyone has the right to make decisions for themselves and their family that are in their best interests. But being better than the most horrendous people you've met in volleyball is hardly a ringing endorsement. My comments can be seen from the opposite perspective: I've met so many more loyal and committed people in volleyball than Steve. I don't have a specific experience or outcome to base my feelings on, but numerous past interactions, and conversations with others who have interacted, makes my reaction to him like that of a tourist who gets bumped and checks his pockets to see if he's been robbed. I don't think of that as transparent, but shady. I think that's a pattern that is repeated in the latest example at Maryland.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Feb 4, 2018 14:50:49 GMT -5
It is pretty ironic that, when most people are at their jobs and hear of someone leaving for a better opportunity, they think to ourselves "good for them," but there seems to be a huge exception to that general feeling when college coaches are considered. If Redbeard is a huge homer for Maryland, then I guess I can understand his disillusionment, but to attack the guy so vehemently and personally is certainly not warranted. Please consider this really important fact, guys (and gals) - earning $170,000 a year (or whatever his salary is going to be) in Bloomington, Indiana is wayyyyyyyy different than earning a similar salary at Maryland. People are constantly amazed, when they come to the Midwest, when they find out how much more house they can afford than they could on one of the coasts, etc. So to hammer a guy for trying to do better financially for his family seems pretty lame, in my humble opinion. Not a Maryland homer. Other coast. As far as I'm concerned (which isn't that far), he abandoned the girls at Maryland. Now he's trying to sell the same "vision" at Indiana that he was selling at Maryland. He's got a credibility problem. In hiring Vansant, he's using her sterling image to try to fix his. Just my opinion. Feel free to have different one.
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Post by Scipio Aemilianus on Feb 4, 2018 16:11:40 GMT -5
Every single coach that has ever left a school for another school has abandoned their players. Sorry Aird didn’t spend 40 years at Maryland and retire a Terp...
Redbeard’s selective anger makes me wonder... can anyone list names of any big D1 coaches who has only ever stayed at one school their entire career without massive success aka a National Championship?
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Post by WahineFan44 on Feb 4, 2018 16:24:25 GMT -5
Every single coach that has ever left a school for another school has abandoned their players. Sorry Aird didn’t spend 40 years at Maryland and retire a Terp... Redbeard’s selective anger makes me wonder... can anyone list names of any big D1 coaches who has only ever stayed at one school their entire career without massive success aka a National Championship? Kathy Gregory. Successful yes but she never won a national championship.
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