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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 16, 2018 8:53:27 GMT -5
There’s academics and there’s culture. ND may be a step below the aforementioned schools, but it’s still a quality Jesuit education. I think the point being made is that the kind of kid who commits to ND is a kid who’s bought into the entire ND experience - campus, academics, athletics, and religion. Well. They can lay claim to being the top Catholic academic institution. Although Georgetown people may argue otherwise.
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Post by bkedane on Jun 16, 2018 10:34:39 GMT -5
There’s academics and there’s culture. ND may be a step below the aforementioned schools, but it’s still a quality Jesuit education. I think the point being made is that the kind of kid who commits to ND is a kid who’s bought into the entire ND experience - campus, academics, athletics, and religion. Notre Dame is not Jesuit.
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Post by n00b on Jun 16, 2018 10:48:44 GMT -5
You miss the point. People think ND they are in the same league. It's not even close. Take the big conferences. Michigan, Illinois, Ohio State are better regarded in most academic areas than ND. Cal is heads and shoulders above academically. Those are, along with the aforementioned schools top tier institutions. ND is at the bottom of the top tier. It's not that I don't trust you or anything, but I would like a second opinion. US News and World Report: #1 Princeton #2 Harvard #5 Stanford #11 Northwestern #18 Notre Dame #21 Cal #28 Michigan #46 Wisconsin #52 illinois #52 Penn State #54 Ohio State #56 Purdue #69 Minnesota #81 Michigan State #90 Indiana I know Phaedrus didn't mention them, but for comparison's sake, you'd be remiss to leave out #9 Duke and #14 Rice. Catholic schools kids make up a HUGE chunk of elite volleyball athletes. And more than likely, their parents and grandparents grew up cheering for Notre Dame football. Only Stanford has the same combination of academics and coast to coast appeal.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 16, 2018 10:59:49 GMT -5
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Post by rainbowbadger on Jun 16, 2018 11:03:42 GMT -5
There’s academics and there’s culture. ND may be a step below the aforementioned schools, but it’s still a quality Jesuit education. I think the point being made is that the kind of kid who commits to ND is a kid who’s bought into the entire ND experience - campus, academics, athletics, and religion. Notre Dame is not Jesuit. My bad. What flavor of Catholic are they? Holy Cross? Is that a thing?
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Post by bigfan on Jun 16, 2018 11:03:56 GMT -5
..........is that the kind of kid who commits to ND is a kid who’s bought into the entire ND experience - campus, academics, athletics, and religion. A real cult.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 16, 2018 11:05:04 GMT -5
.....ND is at the bottom of the top tier. Dis not know you are a Southern Cal fan.
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Post by Phaedrus on Jun 16, 2018 11:48:12 GMT -5
I was actually going to include a caveat that you would reject any ranking system that went against your belief. Actually the USNews ranking had been catching heat for well over a decade. The methodology used its flawed and easily manipulated. Universities admit that they try to manipulate it all the time. Universities love it because it gives something tangible to donors without giving the comparisons serious thought. I am actually against any one size fit all ranking system. The more realistic comparison is through comparing the departments as no university is outstanding in all majors.
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Post by redbeard2008 on Jun 16, 2018 13:35:33 GMT -5
"While I work to get my back issues resolved...while I am working to get back to full health..." Sounds like he isn't saying goodbye to coaching. Once he gets squared away he will take over USC after the new coach bombs. Worst case scenario: He ends up at Oregon. How many schools, besides USC and Oregon, have made "space filler" hires?
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Post by stevehorn on Jun 16, 2018 13:52:03 GMT -5
Wish him the best. Unfortunate for ND. They have a lot of great recruits committed right now that did so because of JMac. If this puts Meuth back on the table for 2019, some program is going to get star very late in the game. All of their scholarship recruits would have signed LOIs so they would have to sit out a year if they choose not to enroll at ND. Plus I would expect that the new HC was significantly involved in their recruitment.
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Post by mervinswerved on Jun 16, 2018 13:56:00 GMT -5
There’s academics and there’s culture. ND may be a step below the aforementioned schools, but it’s still a quality Jesuit education. I think the point being made is that the kind of kid who commits to ND is a kid who’s bought into the entire ND experience - campus, academics, athletics, and religion. We Jesuit-educated people would never deign to be associated with Notre Dame. You know what they say, if it weren't for Knute Rockne, Notre Dame would be the University of Dayton.
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Post by bigfan on Jun 16, 2018 13:57:03 GMT -5
Once he gets squared away he will take over USC after the new coach bombs. Worst case scenario: He ends up at Oregon. How many schools, besides USC and Oregon, have made "space filler" hires? He would be a great great hire for Oregon. He knows that area
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Post by bigfan on Jun 16, 2018 13:58:16 GMT -5
There’s academics and there’s culture. ND may be a step below the aforementioned schools, but it’s still a quality Jesuit education. I think the point being made is that the kind of kid who commits to ND is a kid who’s bought into the entire ND experience - campus, academics, athletics, and religion. We Jesuit-educated people would never deign to be associated with Notre Dame. You know what they say, if it weren't for Knute Rockne, Notre Dame would be the University of Dayton. What jesuit school did you attend? USC?
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Post by stevehorn on Jun 16, 2018 13:59:17 GMT -5
If your ND and the investment you’ve made in JMac and bringing to South Bend, do you create some type of consulting / true director of volleyball operations ( not the current Dovo role but something bigger)? Allowing to care for himself and still be involved? On the surface, it sounds like a good idea. However it probably isn't. No slam on any parties involved, but the volleyball HC probably would feel like someone is constantly looking over his shoulder. A position with the school outside the volleyball program might be good, but the VB HC needs to feel like he's in full control of the program.
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Post by stevehorn on Jun 16, 2018 14:01:38 GMT -5
Catholic schools kids make up a HUGE chunk of elite volleyball athletes. Maybe in the Midwest or the Northeast, but not in most other parts of the country.
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