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Post by Wiswell on Aug 18, 2018 16:11:05 GMT -5
I think that's an accurate assessment as of this moment. I think it goes all the way to the libero level as well.
Would KPS ever consider a scenario where he rests players like Williams and Haggerty to keep them healthy? Not necessarily full matches, but sets.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 18, 2018 16:30:42 GMT -5
Gonna be hard for duello to have the season she wants this year. Loberg better at outside, right side looking competitive between duello and William's, I think hart goes middle. How much of this is down to Hilley and Dixon not setting RS that much? This was when Duello was playing outside. She had a couple of great shots that cut through the block and went straight down. But those were on perfect sets, anything less than perfect and Loberg had a lot more tools to use. Loberg also looked better on SR than Duello, she did get aced once against Rettke but overall I felt her SR was much stronger than Duello's was. For the right, it looks like Hart is just more aggressive and mobile and reading better than Williams was at middle. There were a couple of plays where Williams at middle was nowhere near the block, I did not notice that at all with Hart. I doubt if Williams sits given Sheff's proven reluctance to sit senior starters so I do not see Duello getting many nods this year and Tionna getting the right side especially given her leg issues the past 2 years. I also felt the setters were sending the ball right a lot and were distributing pretty evenly. That may have been the plan to get everybody a lot of touches but they had no shortage of sets going right.
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Post by rainbowbadger on Aug 18, 2018 16:33:01 GMT -5
Her play looked back to pre-injury level. Serving, blocking, hitting (power and shot selection). Passing was improved from pre-injury. Solid defense. She wasn’t getting set as often, but we have other options now. In 2016 it was, to a large extent, the Molly Show, especially when she was in the front row. This year we have other players we can lean on for offensive production, so she doesn’t have to carry the load. No question to me she starts on the outside. Interesting. I wasn't sure I truly believed she'd get back. And, what a boon for them. I read through this thread and it sounds like the ones who really impressed today were Hart and Loberg. Sure seems to be setting up to have an embarrassment of riches among the hitters. And possibly more than 1 very capable player not seeing the playing time they would expect. I thought Duello played well. Right now I’d take her on the right. She has a new confidence and a new strength, and she was making some good shots.
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 18, 2018 16:34:03 GMT -5
I was concerned though how ineffective Rettke looked against the guys today. Yes, they had huge leaps, one of them blocked a ball with his face. But Plummer gets up pretty high as do several other players and if they could not even get a hand on many of the guys attacks from left and middle, how are they going to do against players who are touching that high? I know it's only a scrimmage and the season has not even had a single match but I was shocked at how little impact Rettke had today.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 18, 2018 16:53:27 GMT -5
Buckysheat do you have an argument on "Williams on the right" other than she's a senior? (Which I get)
What I am reading is that Duello wasn't as good on the left so therefore Williams should start on the right. But maybe I'm missing something.
I would want Williams to start as a senior too. But based on today, she wouldn't.
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Post by Hawk Attack on Aug 18, 2018 17:10:08 GMT -5
Is Wisconsin the new Texas? Such an embarrassment of riches that really REALLY good players are riding the pine?
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Post by hammer on Aug 18, 2018 17:20:03 GMT -5
I think that's an accurate assessment as of this moment. I think it goes all the way to the libero level as well. Would KPS ever consider a scenario where he rests players like Williams and Haggerty to keep them healthy? Not necessarily full matches, but sets. Yes, vs. Rutgers
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Post by badgerbreath on Aug 18, 2018 17:20:18 GMT -5
So solid is Rettke Hilley Haggerty. Then it's all up in the air the who and the where. I'm hearing Loberg on the left as well, which is good. I want her to build off of last years end-of-season success. I'm wondering if Duello/Williams is the insurance for Haggerty. If she can go, then Tionna and Madison battle it out on the RS, but Duello will come in to spell Haggerty at times at OH with Williams staying right. I have a feeling that Hart and Rettke stay middle. Hart just didn't look that comfortable at RS in spring. Did she play there at all in the scrimmage? Also, did Williams play in the middle at all?
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 18, 2018 17:21:27 GMT -5
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Post by BuckysHeat on Aug 18, 2018 17:24:55 GMT -5
Buckysheat do you have an argument on "Williams on the right" other than she's a senior? (Which I get) What I am reading is that Duello wasn't as good on the left so therefore Williams should start on the right. But maybe I'm missing something. I would want Williams to start as a senior too. But based on today, she wouldn't. As already said by others, Williams just creeps up on you with her numbers, nothing she usually does is flashy and she was no different today. I really do not remember DUello doing much on the right either though that stood out. Sheff already has a track record of starting seniors over others based on their class - see Gillis last year vs Loberg for the most recent case. Based on that and Tionna's multi year AA status she will be the starter over Duello if they both go right.
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Post by hammer on Aug 18, 2018 17:28:27 GMT -5
Is Wisconsin the new Texas? Such an embarrassment of riches that really REALLY good players are riding the pine? Not quite, but they really have a good mix of talent, and they have size. They outshine Texas in one area also. We'll see what happens when they meet in Madison -- coming up in a few weeks.
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Post by bucky415 on Aug 18, 2018 18:10:17 GMT -5
It was a pretty good outing for the Badgers despite some lingering concerns. Having Haggerty look like she is truly back is tremendously encouraging, and Loberg had a very nice outing as well. Hart is at a place with her game that makes it very exciting that she has four years of eligibility remaining. Duello was quietly effective. Williams and Rettke had somewhat off nights by their standards. Williams had two errors on off sets hitting off two feet on the right, which is something she will need to address if she is going to play there. Duello has improved a lot in that regard. I thought both setters did a pretty good job of running their offenses. Hilley was effective with her attack attempts, neither had many off sets, and Dixon does look a lot more comfortable with her setting than she has at times in the limited action in which we have been able to watch her play. The floor defense started out a bit slowly, but it improved as the match went on. I do agree that they have a libero competition at this point, which is due to Dodge playing very well rather than Clark not playing well.
On the down side, the blocking needs work, especially when trying to match up with really physical teams. On the good side, the Badgers themselves aren't an easy team against which to block, so that could be part of the issue. They also need to avoid ill timed service errors and show they can do a better job of winning big points down the stretch. It was a highly competitive scrimmage that made it look like there is going to be a lot of competition in practice, which is a good thing.
At this point, I agree that Sheffield has some tough lineup choices to make, and we may see some different lineups next weekend. I think Haggerty and Loberg are pretty set on the left side, and Loberg showed today that playing six rotations could be a viable option. Hilley at setter and Rettke at one middle slot seem entrenched. The libero spot is probably up for grabs between Dodge and Clark, with the other player subbing for one of the pins. As for the other middle/right spots, those seem up in the air. Someone between Williams, Hart, and Duello, who probably would have started for every other Badger team I remember, will presumably start out on the bench. There are worse problems to have than quality depth, however, even with Whalen out for now at least. Shanahan gives them more depth in the middle, and, while Wohlert has work to do, she did have a couple of nice blocks today and should have time to develop as long as the team can stay reasonably healthy (knock wood).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2018 18:28:14 GMT -5
I think that's an accurate assessment as of this moment. I think it goes all the way to the libero level as well. Would KPS ever consider a scenario where he rests players like Williams and Haggerty to keep them healthy? Not necessarily full matches, but sets. Yes, vs. Rutgers You could get away with that against more than Rutgers. Could probably do it against Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern and maybe Ohio State and Michigan State.
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Post by bucky415 on Aug 18, 2018 18:29:36 GMT -5
You could get away with that against more than Rutgers. Could probably do it against Rutgers, Maryland, Indiana, Iowa, Northwestern and maybe Ohio State and Michigan State. I can guarantee the Badgers will be taking nothing for granted against Ohio State.
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Post by Wiswell on Aug 18, 2018 18:44:33 GMT -5
Based on today only I would go with:
Haggerty, Loberg, Hart, Rettke, Duello, Hilley, Dodge (L). Dixon as serving sub. Her serve today had some great movement on it.
I'd have a hard time with Williams over Duello on RS but less of a hard time over Hart in MB, merely on the basis of experience.
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