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Post by SportyBucky on Jan 11, 2019 10:26:02 GMT -5
No it's not. And if it were, the programs have plenty of money for hotels. That seems like an obvious answer, but it's just as likely, if not more, for people to approach the issue from the perspective of "we can't have unlimited participation" than "we can take care of a few more." Some participants choose to arrange their own accommodations, but the host nation is otherwise responsible for the comfort and security of the participants. It's not just a matter of them saying, we'll find you a hotel to stay in. I'm a little perplexed by your statement and it's not for want of trying nor capacity to understand. No country asks the host country to "find them a hotel." They have logistics staff that does that for them. Should they deem host facilities aren't up to snuff, too far away from site, unsafe, they often and regularly find their own accommodations.
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Post by NobodySpecial on Jan 11, 2019 10:36:59 GMT -5
Has anyone tried to find hotels during the Olympics? Hotel beds are very scarce, causing prices to skyrocket to $1,000 a day in many cases for a 3-star hotel close to the venue or training. That also does not include funding for security at a non-Village hotel and state department needs, added transportation, etc., Further, the FIVB does not really set the roster sizes - IOC does that based on total athletes for the entire Olympics. Then athlete roster sizes are broken down per sport to reach that max total set by the IOC based on host bids submitted 7 years before the Olympics (and bid created up to two years before that). Expanded rosters are not something that is easily changed.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 11, 2019 10:45:20 GMT -5
That seems like an obvious answer, but it's just as likely, if not more, for people to approach the issue from the perspective of "we can't have unlimited participation" than "we can take care of a few more." Some participants choose to arrange their own accommodations, but the host nation is otherwise responsible for the comfort and security of the participants. It's not just a matter of them saying, we'll find you a hotel to stay in. I'm a little perplexed by your statement and it's not for want of trying nor capacity to understand. No country asks the host country to "find them a hotel." They have logistics staff that does that for them. Should they deem host facilities aren't up to snuff, too far away from site, unsafe, they often and regularly find their own accommodations. The accommodations for the athletes are all centralized in the "Olympic Village" It obviously has a maximum occupancy at some point. You suggested that additional participants wasn't a big deal because the host could house them in hotels. The host has an obligation to house all official participants (who don't choose their own housing option). I'm saying that the host finding a hotel rather than housing in the Village is not practicable. You have to ask, why are Olympic rosters (sometimes) less than rosters for sport specific major tournaments. The obvious answer is to limit participants (there may be different reasons for wanting to do this, such as cost, or competitive purity).
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Post by SportyBucky on Jan 11, 2019 10:52:44 GMT -5
I'm a little perplexed by your statement and it's not for want of trying nor capacity to understand. No country asks the host country to "find them a hotel." They have logistics staff that does that for them. Should they deem host facilities aren't up to snuff, too far away from site, unsafe, they often and regularly find their own accommodations. The accommodations for the athletes are all centralized in the "Olympic Village" It obviously has a maximum occupancy at some point. You suggested that additional participants wasn't a big deal because the host could house them in hotels. The host has an obligation to house all official participants (who don't choose their own housing option). I'm saying that the host finding a hotel rather than housing in the Village is not practicable. You have to ask, why are Olympic rosters (sometimes) less than rosters for sport specific major tournaments. The obvious answer is to limit participants (there may be different reasons for wanting to do this, such as cost, or competitive purity). If you read carefully, I never said the host would find them a hotel. You opt in or opt out of olympic village accommodations. In fact, I went out of my way to make that clear.
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Post by volleyguy on Jan 11, 2019 10:59:01 GMT -5
The accommodations for the athletes are all centralized in the "Olympic Village" It obviously has a maximum occupancy at some point. You suggested that additional participants wasn't a big deal because the host could house them in hotels. The host has an obligation to house all official participants (who don't choose their own housing option). I'm saying that the host finding a hotel rather than housing in the Village is not practicable. You have to ask, why are Olympic rosters (sometimes) less than rosters for sport specific major tournaments. The obvious answer is to limit participants (there may be different reasons for wanting to do this, such as cost, or competitive purity). If you read carefully, I never said the host would find them a hotel. You opt in or opt out of olympic village accommodations. In fact, I went out of my way to make that clear. This is the only thing I could find where you addressed it. If you consider this going out of your way to make something clear, well, ok. It's a big deal because availability of space for athletes in the Olympic Village is limited and already scarce. No it's not. And if it were, the programs have plenty of money for hotels.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 11:45:35 GMT -5
I'm guessing if volleyball were granted any additional allowed headcount by the IOC, they'd use it to add more beach pairs rather than expand current roster sizes. Most sports with changing rosters right now are declining to make room for other sports. Gymnastics team sizes are changing because of an increase in individual athletes that have the chance to qualify to the Olympics - gymnasts who are strong individually but not part of a strong team have more chances to qualify now than in the past, and this is what has caused the decrease in team size. Gymnastics has had team size reductions in the past once Rhythmic Gymnastics and Trampoline became official sports, adjusting roster sizes here and there, number of individual spots, etc. Anyway - the trend is not to increase Olympic rosters. Water polo recently reduced their team sizes to allow two more women's teams to qualify as well, I believe - something like that, I don't follow so closely. But I think it'll be rare to find an instance where an Olympic team size will increase so that more players can stand on the sidelines. (And none of these changes have anything to do with hotel accomodations - I'm not sure why that's being so argued. Finding a space to put a body isn't the problem. The problem is the cost of athletes to come to a competition to not participate. Nobody is buying tickets to the Olympics to watch Sarah Wilhite stand on the sideline. An increase in athletes will always be to get more athletes on the floor. We're not gonna see indoor volleyball rosters increase in size until we go 7 on 7.
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Post by stanfordvb on Jan 11, 2019 11:47:39 GMT -5
Alright can we get back to talking ab the volleyball part of the national team instead players hotel arrangements in 2 years for now....
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Post by SportyBucky on Jan 11, 2019 12:09:40 GMT -5
That seems like an obvious answer, but it's just as likely, if not more, for people to approach the issue from the perspective of "we can't have unlimited participation" than "we can take care of a few more." Some participants choose to arrange their own accommodations, but the host nation is otherwise responsible for the comfort and security of the participants. It's not just a matter of them saying, we'll find you a hotel to stay in. I'm a little perplexed by your statement and it's not for want of trying nor capacity to understand. No country asks the host country to "find them a hotel." They have logistics staff that does that for them. Should they deem host facilities aren't up to snuff, too far away from site, unsafe, they often and regularly find their own accommodations. See above where I explicitly state the host country wouldn't be on the line to "find them a hotel," as you stated (hence the quotation marks).
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Post by donut on Jan 11, 2019 12:44:36 GMT -5
Has anyone been keeping up with Washington and Ogbogu? From the stats I've seen for both of them, they've been doing very well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2019 12:59:33 GMT -5
Has anyone tried to find hotels during the Olympics? Hotel beds are very scarce, causing prices to skyrocket to $1,000 a day in many cases for a 3-star hotel close to the venue or training. That also does not include funding for security at a non-Village hotel and state department needs, added transportation, etc., Further, the FIVB does not really set the roster sizes - IOC does that based on total athletes for the entire Olympics. Then athlete roster sizes are broken down per sport to reach that max total set by the IOC based on host bids submitted 7 years before the Olympics (and bid created up to two years before that). Expanded rosters are not something that is easily changed. When the Japanese delegation arrived in Rio they were do satisfied with the Olympic Village condition so they went and stayed in a hotel for a few days. But staying in the Olympic Village is part of the Olympic experience.
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Post by ToddyJ on Jan 11, 2019 13:21:53 GMT -5
Has anyone been keeping up with Washington and Ogbogu? From the stats I've seen for both of them, they've been doing very well. Washington's team upset Imoco AND Novara in the past two weeks. While still ranked in the middle of the pack it just goes to show just how competitive the Italian Series A1 is this year. Ogbogu is also doing really well with Chemik Police in Poland. They are the top of the league with a one match cushion. Their CEV Champions league record is 0-2 and will probably bow out after this next round. I definitely think that one of the two of them will make the 2020 Olympic Roster.
Foluke, Rachel and Chiaka would make a formidable MB trio :-)
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Post by gbuttah on Jan 11, 2019 13:46:20 GMT -5
I’d most like to see Poulter, Atkinson, Alade, Maloney, Foecke, SSS, Sauer, and DeJarld in the gym. But in reality only Poulter and maaaybe Maloney will get a true look before Tokyo. Alade is Canadian KK will never allow a middle on his roster that can't run the slide.
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Post by vbct3 on Jan 11, 2019 13:52:18 GMT -5
KK will never allow a middle on his roster that can't run the slide. Especially one that's Canadian.
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Post by gbuttah on Jan 11, 2019 14:09:38 GMT -5
She turned down because of Stanford’s summer trip to Europe. Might have been a mistake if she wants to try to make the 2020 roster Is she even really that interested in pushing for the 2020 indoor roster anyway? Or is she more committed to beach? Or does she just really not know or care to think about it (honestly wouldn’t blame her)? Plummer might just be a “let’s hold all talk until she makes a move”. I don’t really know if it’s fair to include her in 2020 discussion right now. I remember watching one of Plummer's post-match NCAA beach interviews last summer and she mentioned that right now she is really loving the beach game and is more interested in looking into professional opportunities in beach after graduation.
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Post by gbuttah on Jan 11, 2019 14:22:30 GMT -5
I think KK's roster will be extremely predictable and will not take younger, high risk-high reward players, although as said on the NET live, the WNT needs a "hammer" if it ever wants to win a gold medal. The roster will likely be... MB: Foluke, Adams, Dixon OH: Larson, Hill, MBH, (Wilhite?) OPP: Murphy, Lowe S: Lloyd, (Hancock or Carlini) L: Robinson IMO, this roster is too safe to compete for gold and he needs to invest in a "hammer". Lowe could be that roll but she has to get more consistent and improve her ball control. Same goes for Lee. I don't think setting is our biggest problem. Time to start looking toward 2024?
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