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Post by newbeach on May 5, 2019 17:29:50 GMT -5
Everyone stop discussing 2020 stuff. I’ve created a thread for that. It was driving me insane that y’all were discussing 2020 crap in a 2019 thread. I mean, WTF? People like to live in the now. Okay, breaking news! Loker and Huddleston win All-Tournament at the #4 flight! Congrats ladies! #1 Graudina/Bustamante USC #2 Dunn/Thomas Stetson #3 Muno/VanWinkle UCLA #4 Huddleston/Loker Hawai'i #5 Carey/Sparks UCLA
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Post by Wolfgang on May 6, 2019 15:14:27 GMT -5
Really happy for Loker and Huddleston. Reminds me of Ginger Long/Mikayla Tucker who also made All-Tournament at the NCAAs in 2016 and who also came on strong at the end.
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Post by kaipono on May 6, 2019 16:12:47 GMT -5
Sorry to bring this thread back, but here are some of the conference accolades that our team earned this season:
1st Team All-Conference: Maglio/Ozee Scoles/Homayun
2nd Team All-Conference: Martin/Napoleon
Honorable Mention All-Conference: Dreeuws/Russo Loker/Huddleston
Big West Freshman of the Year: Pani Napoleon
And Hawaii holding the Freshman of the Year streak continues!
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Post by newbeach on May 7, 2019 22:49:12 GMT -5
Sorry to bring this thread back, but here are some of the conference accolades that our team earned this season: 1st Team All-Conference: Maglio/Ozee Scoles/Homayun 2nd Team All-Conference: Martin/Napoleon Honorable Mention All-Conference: Dreeuws/Russo Loker/Huddleston Big West Freshman of the Year: Pani Napoleon And Hawaii holding the Freshman of the Year streak continues! No worries, it's all good news! It's nice to see the lower flights getting recognition as well! Also, four years straight UH has Freshman of the Year! I saw on Cal Poly news that "Cal Poly swept the major awards"! Um, no. I was wondering if Maglio/Ozee might win All-American? For pairs, Maglio and Ozee are ranked 12th and Jones/Miric are 11th. Both pairs were awarded top-flight awards as well and have similar records. Jones/Miric have head-to-head over Maglio/Ozee, but Maglio/Ozee do have a win over Pepperdine who was ranked #5 (Jones and Miric do not). Maglio/Ozee have a few lopsided performances mostly against Jones/Miric, one against Graudina/Bustamante and of course they lost twice Mirkovec/Polo from Cal on their first weekend together as a pair. Maglio/Ozee has a better post-season performance (though not wins) versus both UCLA and USC's top pairs (mind you many of the 1's matches' were not finished for anyone). They lost narrowly to UCLA and actually had one of the closest match-ups in the tournament with Bustamante/Graudina (22-24, 17-14). The #1 pairs from the top #2 teams in the tournament automatically get AA's (Graudina/Bustamante and McNamaras). Then they select another 6 pairs. The #2 flight pairs can also be nominated (if their #1 flight are awarded All-American). It will be interesting to see if Sponcil/Lily get an AA over Maglio/Ozee at the #1 flight. They also take post-season play into account and sounds like a little more emphasis on teams that make the Tournament. "Selections will be based upon regular season and post-season results, head-to-head matchups, and results versus common opponents • More consideration will be given to teams that defeat pairs on nationally ranked teams ." Coppola/Nuss are ranked #3 and will get an AA. With USC 1's and UCLA 1's, that leaves five more pairs. These are the remaining teams ahead of Maglio/Ozee. Only Jones/Miric made the Tournament. I think Jones/Miric gets AA. Leaving four more pairs. 4 Oluoma Okaro/ Ashley Wenz ASU 20-4 83.3 5 Lindsey Knudsen/ Sarah Chase Saint Mary's 21-5 80.8 6 Margherita Bianchin/ Federica Frasca FIU 20-5 80.0 7 Viridiana Serrano/ Andrea Gonzalez Ottawa (Az) 16-4 80.0 8 Rachel Kuhn/ Veronica Corcoran New Orleans 20-6 76.9 9 Lauren Twitty/ Dali Rosado New Mexico 16-5 76.2 10 Lauren Freed/ Kennedy Madison College of Charleston 18-6 75.0 11 Crissy Jones/ Tia Miric Cal Poly SLO 20-7 74.1 12 Amy Ozee/ Emily Maglio Hawaii 20-7, 74.1 Several of the teams have a low team SoS (Ottawa, New Orleans, New Mexico) and COC is okay, but they don't look like they played as many ranked teams or have wins against them. Chase/Knudsen may get in, but Maglio/Ozee has the head-to-head over them as well they didn't make the tournament and don't have many wins over ranked teams. The FIU pair is the exception as far as played ranked opponents. I think maybe they get in? It will be disappointing if Maglio doesn't get an AA as it would be her third straight and only the McNamara twins have more (they will finish with 4). After watching a lot of games now on Maglio/Ozee, Ozee was definitely struggling on defensive positioning and reading the hitter. Maglio/Schucht would easily have won over teams that Maglio/Ozee struggled with. It was nice to see Ozee finally put it together for the tournament. Unfortunately, individuals can't be nominated (e.g. Maglio over Ozee) except for Honorable Mention. I am thinking: 1. McNamaras UCLA 2. Graudina/Bustamante USC 3. Coppola/Nuss LSU 4. Bianchin/Frasca FIU 5. Jones/Miric Cal Poly 6. Maglio/Ozee Hawai'i 7. Sponcil/Lily UCLA (#2 pair) 8. either Okara/Wenz ASU or Chase/Knudsen Cannon/Slater USC (#2 pair) also a possibility (Anna Collier USC is on the committee), but I think they get HM. Anyone else want to wager? AVCA All-Americans announced tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2019 23:52:02 GMT -5
I'm not posting a wager nor am I hating on other pairs or team (I favor Hawai'i, USC) but I found it odd that during the USC matches on the Sunday matches the female broadcaster kept mentioning how Graudina/Bustamante never lost a set, both in the LSU match and UCLA match (until they lost to the McNamara's). Did they not count the match against Maglio/Ozee because it went unfinished?
Also, why are there no UH players currently registered for the 2019 USAV Collegiate Beach Championships?
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Post by newbeach on May 8, 2019 1:08:45 GMT -5
I'm not posting a wager nor am I hating on other pairs or team (I favor Hawai'i, USC) but I found it odd that during the USC matches on the Sunday matches the female broadcaster kept mentioning how Graudina/Bustamante never lost a set, both in the LSU match and UCLA match (until they lost to the McNamara's). Did they not count the match against Maglio/Ozee because it went unfinished?
Also, why are there no UH players currently registered for the 2019 USAV Collegiate Beach Championships?
Yeah, I would say they didn't count it as loss as it was unfinished. Too bad. I also found it weird that no UH players were registered for the USAV pairs event. No idea at the moment.
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Post by newbeach on May 8, 2019 12:18:26 GMT -5
Yep, pretty ticked off! Mags and Ozee just honorable mention All-Americans. They were virtually tied with Jones and Miric and even had a few more ranked wins Bauer/Dyer from (pepperdine for one).
They gave Dyer/Bauer 1st team. So much for post-season emphasis. They were beat twice by LMU at WCC tournament (a team Maglio/Ozee beat twice).
Do NOT agree with Terese Cannon and Sammy Slater (24/9 record at the #2) getting first team. But of course, Anna Collier pushed for that. Sponcil and Lily yes, maybe. Mags and Huddleston took them to three sets, and Homayun and Scoles beat them at the tournament. They each had some losses but were decent at the TWO's.Yes, everyone will say they could be a number one team somewhere else, but they weren't they were a number 2 pair, playing number 2 competition (and that is what gave them their record for the season). They didn't even dominate our 2 flight. What a joke that they rank themselves (as better than all the one pairs without even having to play them).
Sorry, if you wanted to give Maglio an honorable mention (so pissed off) then Ozee should NOT have got one. Sorry, just my opinion. But I watched many, many matches (even ones on the mainland via video, Periscope, etc.) and match after match Ozee served into the net, served out, netted on her swings, couldn't side out, got aced over and over again, guessed wrong on where to go so many times. Mags, ran all over the place saving balls for her only to have her lose the point. Just my opinion, but she totally dragged Maglio down and cost her from being a three time All-American (not sure if you count honorable mentions - I know people always count Carly Kan as a multiple winner for indoor).
I do feel Ozee played much better at the tournament than she has all year, but clearly post-season play wasn't a factor anyway.
4 out of the 8 pairs to UCLA and USC is a joke. That totally diminishes the play off all the other #1 flights in the country. They didn't even dominate at the NCAA's this year. Neither their one flights or two flights did. Both teams lucky they made the finals with USC losing to Stetson and UCLA almost losing to Hawaii, among other close matches. Too bad UH only had one hour rest before playing USC because it may have been a different story.
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Post by Wolfgang on May 8, 2019 13:57:20 GMT -5
I'm glad none of the Hawaii defectors (e.g., Monkhouse, Luyties) were recognized. Call me petty.
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Post by Wolfgang on May 8, 2019 14:14:57 GMT -5
I feel like there should be a steep price to pay for defecting from Hawaii.
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Post by noblesol on May 8, 2019 14:15:55 GMT -5
Selection of Individual awards in team sports can sometimes be obvious, but frequently not. Beyond the obvious choices, the selection process can be darkly subjective. In that space of uncertainty, the scales can be tipped by politics, popularity, and puppetry. But often, old-fashioned recency bias and halo effect are likely to play the major part. So, to the team(s) with the most recent and greatest finish and press, or most connected campaigners, most individual spoils will go. Beyond the obvious greats, the remaining awards go to fill a quota allotted. In a subjective process of elimination narrowing to a limited few, some 'equally worthy' can be left out. As a fan, I don't stress over it. I'd hope the players wouldn't either.
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Post by newbeach on May 8, 2019 14:21:29 GMT -5
I'm glad none of the Hawaii defectors (e.g., Monkhouse, Luyties) were recognized. Call me petty. Yeah, unfortunate that Monkhouse fainted after the Hawaii game and had to sit out the rest of the tournament and I am glad she is okay. But, I still didn't like the photo of UCLA team and Monkhouse holding her finger in the air ("we're #1)! Unfortunately, I think we were just one player away of doing really well. With Monkhouse and Iosia, it could have been a different story. Monkhouse and Maglio had wanted to play together. Unfortunately, Mags was at the time Lea quit not thinking she was coming back, and then Lea quit about the time Mags said she was coming back. Hall was quoted saying they would play at the #1 and I do believe this would have been an upgrade over Ozee/Maglio for this year. Luyties barely got playing time at Cal. Unfortunate for her, nice girl, but I think she could have helped Hawaii had she stayed. To be clear, I am not mad at Ozee (although I did find it amusing that she put on her Instagram page - NCAA court #1, I will be back next year and then posted a bunch of photos of herself...no mention or thank you to her partner for getting her there). lol Amy did the best she could. I just don't think she was ready for Flight #1 as a defender. Even her offense really was terrible for many of the matches. Her BWC performance was poor (that had to affect Maglio play as well when things just continued to go wrong on those games). I am not sure how Amy was all of a sudden able turn her offense around just for NCAA's (which she did) when she couldn't do it the rest of the season...a little too late I guess and I feel like that cost Maglio an All-American (and she gave up a lot of potential to come back for this team). She probably doesn't care that much about the actual award, but I really wanted her to get it.
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Post by newbeach on May 8, 2019 14:36:54 GMT -5
Selection of Individual awards in team sports can sometimes be obvious, but frequently not. Beyond the obvious choices, the selection process can be darkly subjective. In that space of uncertainty, the scales can be tipped by politics, popularity, and puppetry. But often, old-fashioned recency bias and halo effect are likely to play the major part. So, to the team(s) with the most recent and greatest finish and press, or most connected campaigners, most individual spoils will go. Beyond the obvious greats, the remaining awards go to fill a quota allotted. In a subjective process of elimination narrowing to a limited few, some 'equally worthy' can be left out. As a fan, I don't stress over it. I'd hope the players wouldn't either. I agree with much of what you say. However, maybe fans should "stress" over it a little and then these awards would be a little more fair. We talk about it all the time in indoor where the top recruits go to the "better" programs. The rich just seem to get richer all the time. Having All-Americans on our team help make teams relevant in the eyes of many recruits. I would also say social media presence and popularity etc. could also make a difference and I wish UH would do a far better job than they do in this area (but that is a different topic). Regardless, I do not believe Cannon and Slater deserved AA over many of the one pairs and even some of the two pairs. They lost to LMU whom Scoles and Homayun beat twice. They lost to UCLA (three times (almost were getting beat handily when the whistle was called on the last match against UCLA - beat them once) and Julia and Ari beat Sponcil and Slater UCLA at the tournament fairly easy. It stinks of Anna Collier and I am tired of the arrogance of USC and UCLA at times this year. Cannon and Slater lost to Stetson #2 pair as well (and the team to Stetson), because Collier thought they could just walk in and roll over everyone. Of course, their losses are always attributed to something like "they came out flat". I guess I am bitter, because it would have been a nice send off for Maglio who has given so much to this program both indoor and beach. It was a huge commitment, hard-work and effort to play both for 4 years each. We never even got a full season of beach out of Maglio as a result. In the end, it is what it is and I know Maglio is not the type to let it get to her, but let's be honest, I am sure she would have liked it. I know Amy would have!
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Post by koavball on May 8, 2019 14:36:55 GMT -5
Luyties left for non volleyball related reasons. Hope Hall has a good offseason.
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Post by Wolfgang on May 8, 2019 14:39:38 GMT -5
All defectors - Jameka Stevens, Adrienne Bradley, Megan Huff, Chloe Luyties, Lea Monkhouse, Emma Smith, Trinity Castaneda, Sophia Howling. I'm missing a whole buttload from 2000-2010.
Edit: Stephanie Ferrell
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Post by newbeach on May 8, 2019 14:42:58 GMT -5
All defectors - Jameka Stevens, Adrienne Bradley, Megan Huff, Chloe Luyties, Lea Monkhouse, Emma Smith, Trinity Castaneda, Sophia Howling. I'm missing a whole buttload from 2000-2010. Emma Smith really didn't want to leave. Just saying.
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